From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6564 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2023 19:51:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Mar 2023 19:51:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6F34159D; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 05:51:21 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1678477881; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=+q1LfA09DmVSIp+2eJJMXp1Ux4VTKIe7qNhfOrygYbA=; b=UUN0imQ6nZPRAhjiRyqJCu4QKhsob4AnFZwoEK2Cfn39SMB5vuKZzHHwI7x4hi/VXtF0Rj 5H89oBDLfz7ekxZQEd+gOovFmbZFEp370rg2xdDvrcHSDAz1JL9RW6rOveEu62h2xV/bBQ BHMMa8UI6XdnywgBQFyWP9aS+HsWWto= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27AD141585 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 05:51:15 +1000 (AEST) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:50:58 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1678477872; x=1678737072; bh=+q1LfA09DmVSIp+2eJJMXp1Ux4VTKIe7qNhfOrygYbA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=b2p4jJO4rgWJwBnbvUmXAadxZWKOVwEBZ+MvCrjiF7DR2u/lOP9Syg5mm2CIx02FA bAf/ajj6S3WRnY7cyW++I03vu/OWhVSzNXD6n3BZZ47k6p4a+0ihTrMYfhD+WLHyF1 GS9RzwfOrjJ6ykYVqiqWoc9FRmfJoWWBFEgmdJJJedVaZpvHh7CcvI418SB1ipcqI+ 6/5XNxZuKWmt+Y3T/CfaW+yg4ydTTRgG3FmSgsrT/fU98xh0pskHM+Djv3I6oQS0lq daHjm66dYo2UzMQZGU6WBsWKxh2s50TvkcscLfNC525/PY9U7lnxucBYmeyADnq7Tt tilB9VulxU4hQ== To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: <9QXzG1pmIgoHdlkiU-ljIDoco5SPzWKEudlEu8W26K28NXD_2bgCijSQmWAn7CBthISuVyzSuxvPGUKmv6A5Gsc-GoNrDb8SA1D5_m449nA=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: FCQSBEU5HCZGVPXBS2S2BTKDO3S7MA6H X-Message-ID-Hash: FCQSBEU5HCZGVPXBS2S2BTKDO3S7MA6H X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] PWB 1.0 Distro and Licensing Timeframe List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco Hello folks, posing a question here that will help with some timelining. So System III, according to everything I've read, was commercially issued i= n 1982. However, PWB 3.0 was issued internally in 1980, two years prior. = This isn't that surprising, give USL some time to work it up for commercial= -readiness. Where I'm curious is if there was a similar gap for the public release of P= WB, given that was earlier on and pre-support and such. Was there a partic= ular "public release" date for PWB 1.0 or would it have just been whenever = folks started getting tapes out of Bell? I know it shows up in a price she= et floating around from say 1983 or 1984 among the likes of V7, 32V, System= III, and System V also for sale, but would anything that early have had a = formal "ship date" indicating a day they cut the master to copy tapes from = or was it more of a contact Bell, someone will cut you a tape of whatever w= e've got right now? Also, was PWB held as something that would be "marketable" from the get-go,= or was it more of a happy accident that it wound up in the right place in = the right time to become the commercial line? One would think USG Generic = would be the one they'd shoot for being the "base" to build on, but everyth= ing I'm finding in my study of System III lately is pointing to a much more= PWB-ish lineage with random borrowings from CB, PY, HO, IH, among others. - Matt G.