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[72.197.247.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q18sm7832342pfj.178.2021.07.09.20.17.15 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Jul 2021 20:17:15 -0700 (PDT) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <202107021140.162BeWZt018129@freefriends.org> From: Mary Ann Horton Message-ID: <9d28ce46-f314-bc00-d2db-1f11b353b9f3@mhorton.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 20:17:14 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C6190A0263E9F9D7FF34EB03" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] First machine to run rogue? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C6190A0263E9F9D7FF34EB03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As I recall, Rogue began to appear in late 1980 or early 81 at Berkeley. I primarily remember it on the Vax. But I thought Toy et al originally wrote it at UCSB and then it came to UCB. It was written for the Arnold curses, and served as the first major application to test it out. I loved that game. Still do, although I rarely find time to play it anymore. It's widely available on web emulators these days, just search for "play rogue online". It will likely be the color DOS version, but it plays roughly the same. The source was widely available and widely customized. I think I brought a copy with me to Bell Labs in 1981 where Bob Flandrena eventually sprouted the "brogue" variant. Some of the monsters could eat into the walls between rooms, and when there was a line of several chasing you down a hallway, one or two of them would pull around to pass... Brogue worked on my new curses, it was in effect part of the test suite. Eric, of course, is the authority noting that ing70 was "i" and, as I recall, ingvax was "j".     Mary Ann On 7/2/21 2:09 PM, Dan Cross wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:07 AM Clem Cole > wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 8:15 AM Dan Cross > wrote: > > It is; it looks like it was first distributed with > 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The sources there are listed as "public domain > rogue", but I'm not sure about the provenance of that code. > > That sounds right, you should ask Ken Arnold offline, I bet he had > a better idea.He would have made them available to Keith. > > > Great idea. I reached out on linked in, but don't have an email > address for Ken. Anyone have his contact information? > > I'm curious if e.g. Mary Ann has any thoughts here, since she took > over maintaining curses at some point and might have gotten some of > the inside story? > > Thanks for the responses so far, all. > >         - Dan C. > --------------C6190A0263E9F9D7FF34EB03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

As I recall, Rogue began to appear in late 1980 or early 81 at Berkeley. I primarily remember it on the Vax. But I thought Toy et al originally wrote it at UCSB and then it came to UCB. It was written for the Arnold curses, and served as the first major application to test it out.

I loved that game. Still do, although I rarely find time to play it anymore. It's widely available on web emulators these days, just search for "play rogue online". It will likely be the color DOS version, but it plays roughly the same.

The source was widely available and widely customized. I think I brought a copy with me to Bell Labs in 1981 where Bob Flandrena eventually sprouted the "brogue" variant. Some of the monsters could eat into the walls between rooms, and when there was a line of several chasing you down a hallway, one or two of them would pull around to pass... Brogue worked on my new curses, it was in effect part of the test suite.

Eric, of course, is the authority noting that ing70 was "i" and, as I recall, ingvax was "j".

    Mary Ann

On 7/2/21 2:09 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:07 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 8:15 AM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The sources there are listed as "public domain rogue", but I'm not sure about the provenance of that code.
That sounds right, you should ask Ken Arnold offline, I bet he had a better idea.  He would have made them available to Keith.

Great idea. I reached out on linked in, but don't have an email address for Ken. Anyone have his contact information?

I'm curious if e.g. Mary Ann has any thoughts here, since she took over maintaining curses at some point and might have gotten some of the inside story?

Thanks for the responses so far, all.

        - Dan C.

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