From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id cc791d22 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 15:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CB3459CC0E; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:51:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8299CC08; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:50:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A4A499CC08; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:50:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from neener.bl.org (neener.bl.org [50.116.26.109]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB59CC07 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:50:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from www.bl.org (neener.bl.org [50.116.26.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by neener.bl.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 016FodR7011813 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 09:50:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:50:39 -0600 From: Michael Parson To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Organization: BL dot ORG In-Reply-To: <20200206035457.GF21264@mcvoy.com> References: <3C26A155-81B4-4341-A422-3AD0346DEC09@eschatologist.net> <20200206035457.GF21264@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: <9d8ccfd6e3b34a4a586e4947e861551f@bl.org> X-Sender: mparson@bl.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.8 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (neener.bl.org [50.116.26.109]); Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:50:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Atari System V media and books? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2020-02-05 21:54, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 09:44:02PM -0600, Michael Parson wrote: >> On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, Chris Hanson wrote: >> >On Jan 18, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Michael Parson wrote: >> > >> >>Speaking of old versions of Motif, are the sources for the >> >>pre-OpenMotif bits available anywhere? Even if under lock and key >> >>for now, I'd be happy knowing they'd been preserved for potential >> >>future availability. >> > >> >There are Motif 1.1 sources on Bitsavers (or your favorite mirror) >> >at > >>. >> >> Thank you! > > Part of me is wondering why anyone cares about Motif. My memory of > that > is that Xview was better and the Athena widgets were better. Athena > was > ugly but it worked, Xview, the X11 version of Sunview, was fantastic to > program in, the argv was a set of 2 tuples, thing and value. And it > looked better. I've written Xview apps and other than the Tk part of > Tcl/Tk, it was the most pleasant GUI API I have used. For the record, > the Tk part of Tcl/Tk is still, decades later, the best GUI interface > I've ever seen. John got that right. > > So no offense intended, what about Motif is likeable? No offense taken. It's not so much that it's "likeable", at least, any more than playing with any old software is "likeable". It only crossed my radar because someone mentioned that it was available for Atari UNIX (ASV), would those bits be able to be used on Amiga UNIX (AMIX)? I was able to pull the bits off the ASV images and get them running on AMIX, but it requires setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to load the ASV X11 libs, so, I thought, if I could get my hands on the source, I could compile it against the AMIX supplied libs, then maybe try and get Mosaic compiled as well. -- Michael Parson Pflugerville, TX KF5LGQ