From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29592 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2023 11:49:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Jan 2023 11:49:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E930425CA; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 21:49:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from server907.appriver.com (server907a.appriver.com [204.232.250.39]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4219E425C8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 21:49:12 +1000 (AEST) X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-Note-AR-ScanTimeLocal: 01/23/2023 6:49:36 AM X-Note: SecureTide Build: 11/1/2022 2:52:12 PM UTC (2.26.0.0) X-Note: Filtered by 10.246.0.100 X-Note-AR-Scan: None - PIPE Received: by server907.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 6.2.15) with PIPE id 48104138; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 06:49:36 -0500 Received: from [10.246.0.39] (HELO smtp.us.exg7.exghost.com) by server907.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.15) with ESMTPS id 48104127; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 06:49:30 -0500 Received: from smtpclient.apple (108.202.98.130) by E19DN02C-S1E7.exg7.exghost.local (192.168.244.113) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.2.1118.21; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 06:48:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Brantley Coile In-Reply-To: <20230123085833.lvxjr44d4ty2ag62@illithid> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 06:49:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20230123085833.lvxjr44d4ty2ag62@illithid> To: "G. 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Branden Robinson wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFAt 2023-01-23T00:32:53-0800, James Johnston wrote: >> At one point it was like $22/page. >>=20 >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:30 PM wrote: >>>=20 >>> Warner Losh wrote: >>>=20 >>>> And I believe that the impetus for the V7 changes was >>>> phototypesetting 'file not found' too often... But that last bit >>>> is mostly because I want to believe. >>>=20 >>> Doug McIlroy has told that story here, search the archives. >>> It was indeed becase of the phototypesetter. >=20 > Steve Johnson's email[0] (which I cited in my earlier reply to this > thread) said it took only "a couple of days" after acquistion of the > phototypesetter for this to happen. But the C/A/T was acquired by > 1973[1], and the Hunt Brothers' cornering of the silver market occurred > in March 1980[2], over a year _after_ the release of V7[3]. >=20 > It seems both of these can't be true. I wondered if maybe only a later > typesetter used a silver-based photochemical development process, but > that doesn't work with troff history either, as device-independent troff > wasn't ready to go until about January 1981, targetting the C/A/T and > the Autologic APS-5[4], the latter with support so fresh that it wasn't > in the manual yet[5]. >=20 > Can someone reconcile these points? >=20 > Regards, > Branden >=20 > [0] https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2013-December/006113.html > [1] https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV4/man/man1/troff.1 > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday > [3] https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV7 > [4] https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/Volume_1/0= 0_Annotated_Table_of_Contents.pdf > (p. 2) > [5] https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/Volume_1/C= .1.2_NROFF_TROFF_Users_Manual.pdf > (p. 34) --Apple-Mail-5B7862C0-A00F-484F-9F2E-72C0AFACB0FA Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="signature.asc"; x-apple-part-url=82A1072B-F85D-4C08-8B8E-D1B7DF9BEA6E Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIyBAABCAAdFiEEh3PWHWjjDgcrENwa0Z6cfXEmbc4FAmPOTDEACgkQ0Z6cfXEm bc7Svg/4/AS/2TEBEZXTkITFr91+ZE2BBR757MQ1IQT5ZlAtLM5kZBGA7Ba6D3Zc IJiwORybz7K7cKy/l5Y+fQGTZP5YWyVMhHIS9QE2DsNKDCplg9GwPRt0aV6/RR9O SU6xH5DaWGJPhtIuBZy3GpBLWL/394RZdCB0vTw75dCaq3KnCQEc7ECCN9dM4FA5 N7lb9hAQz3XPthpL145TBBlL6bGny9D1BcZqXnrP0MYS4XKTDSD/iTisdp78GAbm VD4Cy1zLmQFSLSUprD1Y5enZyfPGoNDDAPl4meTDJZX83jfgHBcTL5w0qfQ9QZoV Ir7wMkSU5T0EBQ3RLe9mgIU7DbWsgypI/nZoKvBBOM1srbPfnwAn71cfmQeClSxn F9ngP2Vkj66/kQoqoNhb+ACf4WlXCRAVywjXKvR/owgp2nDMm/KxpqLu9fq+9T8G BwUN7B8baIJG6/cXmNctUCllu0CtzDCNelrEzTrGz/8g8Ra9VLJZQHlh6XfW07Ca m5ba/CctjzcHYLj2m2rPmcWyU52rJEDFSOtkz+rrjGQ1pciXy6OMsKk7gg7kAFwa HGwlJNHY4oqwstkuyisqcqX07wXmaBF9sjEJJ/bPYQIGQkDcn/xtLjLdHOYw7mwC CiUbPX4bqjQVty5UztVBe4TYfIX5FhNr6gntc4nHfEeumeVQtg== =1HzR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-5B7862C0-A00F-484F-9F2E-72C0AFACB0FA--