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[172.125.77.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e84sm217683oib.43.2021.02.16.20.06.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: Bakul Shah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:06:01 -0800 References: <202102151956.11FJuRIh3079869@darkstar.fourwinds.com> To: TUHS main list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Subject: [TUHS] SQL OS (Re: Abstractions X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Feb 16, 2021, at 12:15 AM, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS = wrote: >=20 > Jon Steinhart writes: >=20 >> So if y'all are up for it, I'd like to have a discussion on what >> abstractions would be appropriate in order to meet modern needs. Any >> takers? >=20 > A late friend of mine felt strongly that Unix needed an SQL interface = to > the kernel. With all information and configuration in a well designed > schema, system administration could be greatly enhanced, he felt, and > could have standard interaction patterns across components -- instead = of > all the quirky command line interfaces we have today, and their user > oriented output formats that you need to parse to use the data. Not quite the same but Arthur Whitney, the author of the K array programming language did something called kOS, mainly to run K apps. It initially ran on Linux but then on "bare metal". The entire OS + a graphic layer called z (to replace X11) fit in 62kB. But it seems he never released it. No idea why. kdb (built on top of K) is a columnar database. An old article on kOS. http://archive.vector.org.uk/art10501320 Also note that in mid 80s there was at least one company building Unix with atomic transactions IO. I forget their name now -- it was Tolerant Systems or Relational Systems or something. As a contractor I wrote some testing framework for them for regression testing etc. As I recall the OS was quite slow. There were a bunch of Unx=20 workstations startups in the Silicon Valley in '80s. Not sure their stories have been told (and I knew only a few bits and pieces that I picked up as a contractor and forgot soon).=