From: "Charles H. Sauer" <sauer@technologists.com>
To: Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: What would early alternatives to C have been?
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 21:28:01 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AA1966C6-B287-42CA-939F-2ECD5FDA969E@technologists.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKH6PiW8J8=uFbadUTSaC9VcLGUJMFZaSFWOFDyCM3MpMTSayw@mail.gmail.com>
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[While walking 5 miles through the snow …]
> On Mar 9, 2025, at 9:03 PM, Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > everyone should write for their first compiler in Pascal for a
> > simple language and no cheating using YACC. You need to write the whole
> > thing if you want to understand how parsing really works.
>
> Yacc certainly makes it easier to write parsers for big grammars, but it's far from cheating. You need to know a lot more about parsing to use Yacc than you need to roll your own.
>
> Hand parsing of a tiny grammar is almost a necessary step on the way to understanding Yacc. But I think hand-building the whole parser for a compiler is unnecessary torture--like doing trigonometry with log tables.
>
> Doug
In 1971 compiler construction course at UT-Austin, we had to use CDC Fortran to build a compiler for a subset of Algol 60. Undergraduates used punch cards and RJE to the 6600/6400 shared by all but the privleged few.
Charlie
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2025-03-10 2:03 Douglas McIlroy
2025-03-10 2:28 ` Charles H. Sauer [this message]
2025-03-11 2:26 ` [TUHS] Re: uphill both ways, was " John Levine
2025-03-10 4:10 ` [TUHS] " Rob Pike
2025-03-10 15:19 ` John Cowan
2025-03-10 19:56 ` Dave Horsfall
2025-03-10 20:49 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2025-03-10 23:12 ` Marc Rochkind
2025-03-10 23:49 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-10 23:58 ` Marc Rochkind
2025-03-11 0:06 ` Ken Thompson
2025-03-11 1:35 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-11 5:07 ` Ken Thompson
[not found] ` <CAKH6PiW8J8=uFbadUTSaC9VcLGUJMFZaSFWOFDyCM3MpMTSayw@mail.gmail.com <CAMP=X_mchJuVgdpc4-AYHASwEVzUcJXMmqSDv_UvX6y0o0+LBQ@mail.gmail.com>
2025-03-12 1:36 ` [TUHS] Re: parsing tools, was What would early alternatives John Levine
2025-03-12 2:22 ` Rich Salz
2025-03-12 3:35 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-12 16:35 ` John R Levine
2025-03-12 5:11 ` Greg A. Woods
2025-03-11 5:15 ` [TUHS] Re: What would early alternatives to C have been? John Cowan
2025-03-10 15:12 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-10 15:24 ` Dan Cross
[not found] <174154718981.615624.15831772136951719489@minnie.tuhs.org>
2025-03-09 21:01 ` Paul McJones
2025-03-10 0:38 ` Ken Thompson
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2025-03-09 3:46 [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2025-03-09 6:14 ` [TUHS] " George Michaelson
2025-03-09 12:29 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-09 13:18 ` G. Branden Robinson
2025-03-09 17:29 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-09 19:06 ` Ken Thompson
2025-03-09 19:41 ` G. Branden Robinson
2025-03-09 19:57 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2025-03-09 22:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2025-03-09 22:58 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-09 23:12 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-09 23:18 ` Steve Nickolas
2025-03-09 23:39 ` Lawrence Stewart
2025-03-10 0:55 ` Stuff Received
2025-03-10 1:19 ` Rob Pike
2025-03-10 3:06 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-10 9:12 ` arnold
2025-03-10 14:41 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-10 14:52 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-10 15:06 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-10 15:27 ` Dan Cross
2025-03-10 15:46 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-10 15:47 ` Warner Losh
2025-03-10 14:57 ` Dan Cross
2025-03-10 15:09 ` Larry McVoy
2025-03-10 16:30 ` arnold
2025-03-10 18:18 ` segaloco via TUHS
2025-03-10 18:39 ` Stuff Received
2025-03-10 18:56 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2025-03-10 23:25 ` Greg A. Woods
2025-03-10 23:35 ` segaloco via TUHS
2025-03-11 1:14 ` Dan Cross
2025-03-11 0:01 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-11 2:18 ` John Levine
2025-03-11 4:00 ` G. Branden Robinson
2025-03-11 4:14 ` George Michaelson
2025-03-11 15:18 ` Ron Natalie
2025-03-11 21:52 ` Rob Pike
2025-03-09 20:13 ` John Levine
2025-03-09 20:35 ` Luther Johnson
2025-03-09 20:58 ` Clem Cole
2025-03-09 21:12 ` Luther Johnson
2025-03-09 22:57 ` Warner Losh
2025-03-10 1:51 ` John Levine
2025-03-10 2:54 ` Luther Johnson
2025-03-10 1:31 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
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