From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3844 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2022 03:29:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Dec 2022 03:29:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8A842388; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 13:28:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-f47.google.com (mail-oa1-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 786DD42385 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 13:28:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-143ffc8c2b2so14038869fac.2 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:28:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iitbombay-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=qr+3/AE1p5dv7/VknTUmo/8QNACX60VHdTpy8T44iig=; b=WTq6nGvV1Ax//bnEEFQE8EaYiF7v47Suz38xyX0ugb7qJSjgPGdeGpJFzwSB1k4GlF lFVexvEVOmkn/uPRQNcnaoh6NIKsfNrUH1Xmyd11Si8cMzJy5ZeGgHeXuLlENPgepcJU QFaWfuBIYVHYxUbFPCaFfz75KVIbB/LjW/0IuHNMiwfGMS40BlSTmXuI+CgZZF19yOay BTolyjlgc19JzS7jQyzNaMcIFClQl9BQnxBg1dlv9SEC096zyOaevo5ONY9mho5mC7px Hw0MEz2fpK1BCHdUSEcA3F+oWwCOQmE3xsi2ur3eFFnQFaoOvb0/R/tku4lqkiN4P7Ih JOcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qr+3/AE1p5dv7/VknTUmo/8QNACX60VHdTpy8T44iig=; b=8AUNlCWdMNcYlEWgf3K1bDkCmWU2/2xI2aRI9Y1GCoPo1kK6g9vUpBzNMgloXVG+im vioR3dTPn/94H7AZnrPrjHnt7nSrm6+0Om4e7ZXJdj5Xvih+1Sn/KnX6bWRVk8IkZHxo aRk1Z8kRKBLQViVKU4E2yrowfdFUFfZFfj6aSinUHIub+k7v/cj9tIcCcIjMGAjb6SCI QYaPn+nidTuwn5jOmyeMMvOVlenLTHDk6f07wY5mvteAIKHQADgzVKF1xzIv6XrP++IM /1yWNio5hUFOZF3JVKr9/myLiVeaLQw22V4yT53t+cIIYlu0XvavNDKzu72Cg8362BNh 6KRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpvXS8mq2fRr49t1D6RdJpeyspDBkdOWLF1AdTynhftXU42rpV+ /YBjryOM6vjCqvNk8y666NTfDVJdksC6B9JD X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtGnAUYQiL6rWU0q+rSgzptmrRo/ryTAwMNYgshddR7HmKqUmntbCzFrngxoJ5d7mEjxC2LrQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:3409:b0:143:c344:e9aa with SMTP id g9-20020a056870340900b00143c344e9aamr6469299oah.55.1671506852881; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (107-215-223-229.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q2-20020a4aa302000000b004a388af96f9sm4663544ool.4.2022.12.19.19.27.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:27:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.300.101.1.3\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <20221220030942.GR4401@mcvoy.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:27:21 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <202212191738.2BJHcLBF024793@ultimate.com> <94155806-907F-40EE-AB00-F3B345509442@iitbombay.org> <20221220030942.GR4401@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.300.101.1.3) Message-ID-Hash: PX5UPYLBDPZWMUCMGSTX4C3IXVQUEOAX X-Message-ID-Hash: PX5UPYLBDPZWMUCMGSTX4C3IXVQUEOAX X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX on (not quite bare) System/370 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Dec 19, 2022, at 7:09 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > Berkeley didn't really have a good VM system, other than Bill Joy > imagining it and then went on to go to Sun and inspired Joe Moran > to implement it. The context I was interested in is the VAX and early 80s. The following paper by =C3=96zalp Babo=C4=9Flu & Bill Joy describes the BSD design in some detail. http://roguelife.org/~fujita/COOKIES/HISTORY/3BSD/design.pdf > FreeBSD took Mach's VM system and while I have respect for what=20 > Mach was trying to do, holy moly, what a mess. FreeBSD came much later. 1994 or so.=20