From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15036 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2022 02:19:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Jun 2022 02:19:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A52240E71; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:19:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from gateway8.unifiedlayer.com (gateway8.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.17.132]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F34A940E6E for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 12:19:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cm1.websitewelcome.com (unknown [192.185.0.102]) by gateway8.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4452009075E for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:19:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dallas136.arvixeshared.com ([23.91.70.4]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 3pxxoBgVqKPTU3pxyoPYil; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:19:38 -0500 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=humeweb.com ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8fIQT2UHssPfa8B5DfmvgdcH63u6L3GaTPFvIdHaeug=; b=Q44QqKlsaMMk6JW0Dcx3sP2Ibn vXm6JvvtkMNU0SiAgFIbQpzX3aM/OBzSk+eZLR4Fo8DuMqHcTVw4lOWIf29M5U7ifGXjsFQIkpOKd c5ydqg6YOqvYZhl2Vs4RmSEB6OAqFr2IHfHaVNiZGsN2S8bqFXVKYiWgbQXzLGuhPxKA=; Received: from 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([99.98.248.85]:54906 helo=smtpclient.apple) by dallas136.arvixeshared.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1o3pxx-0017W2-QU; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:19:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) From: Andrew Hume In-Reply-To: <202206220214.25M2E9A81850003@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 19:19:36 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20220622001311.GU26016@mcvoy.com> <202206220214.25M2E9A81850003@darkstar.fourwinds.com> To: Jon Steinhart X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dallas136.arvixeshared.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - tuhs.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - humeweb.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 99.98.248.85 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1o3pxx-0017W2-QU X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net (smtpclient.apple) [99.98.248.85]:54906 X-Source-Auth: andrew@humeweb.com X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: YWh1bWU7YWh1bWU7ZGFsbGFzMTM2LmFydml4ZXNoYXJlZC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes Message-ID-Hash: VGDDCK7IHDIK5KOKSGZ6V2WCQCJKD3HO X-Message-ID-Hash: VGDDCK7IHDIK5KOKSGZ6V2WCQCJKD3HO X-MailFrom: andrew@humeweb.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: the early versions of the audio compression stuff were not quite is good = as the later versions (which became apples stuff) but compressed to = substantially smaller size. ken compressed 2-3 hrs or so of music for my wedding and = that was rather less than a CD. > On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Jon Steinhart wrote: >=20 > George Michaelson writes: >> There was this persisting story that Ken got permission from somebody >> like CBS or Sony to have a very large amount of classical music on a >> 400MB drive, for research purposes. No, really: he was doing some >> psycho-acoustic thing comparing compressed to uncompressed for >> somebody, or improving on the fraunhoffer algorithms which became = MP3. >> The point was, the rest of us had to listen to CDs and Ken had the >> complete works of Bach (or something) on a hard drive, which we were >> told he kept in the office, and played at home over a landline of = some >> horrendously high bandwidth, un-imaginable speeds like a megabit, >> imagine, a MILLION of those suckers. How dare he. Thats more than the >> whole of queensland. I imagine the truth is much less interesting, = and >> there was no major IPR fraud going on at the labs coding stuff as MP3 >> like we imagined, under the table. >>=20 >> I imagine this would also have been a Datakit T-1. But surely that = was >> a 1.44mbit carrier? T1 was smaller than E1 because europeans and >> asians learned to count to 32 not 24. >>=20 >> -G >=20 > This reminds me of a Ken story from the late '90s. I was at a = conference > that I won't name where Ken gave a talk about his compression work; if = I > remember correctly his goal was to fit all of the Billboard Top 100 = songs > of all time onto a single CD. He showed us the big stack of disks = that he > made to give to us, but then said that to his surprise the the lawyers > refused to give permission. At that point he became very focused on = messing > with his slides while everyone got up, got in line, and took a disc. = After > the pile was gone Ken looked up and nonchalantly continued his talk. >=20 > That might also have been the conference at which Ken showed us videos = of > him in a MIG. >=20 > Jon