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Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: KU1PR02MB2552 Subject: Re: [TUHS] Steve Bellovin recounts the history of USENET X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ------=_Part_7260_1809238508.1574473687061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I for one believe in duplication, and not relying on a single source.=C2=A0 All the artifacts survive today because they were scattered to the winds an= d found again.=C2=A0 Plus when building a database having 10gb of human entered data is invaluab= le.=C2=A0 I should add that the first public listing of hack on Google is missing the= last part.=C2=A0 But it's in the utzoo archive.=C2=A0 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack_1.0 So the google stuff is incomplete.=C2=A0 Besides it's fun to re-read the world when the rumours of Spocks iniment de= ath in the next movie circulated, and fans petitioned to save him, or even = the fallout of Tienemen square, and how it parallels in reddit.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I should also add now that Intel is purging all their old drivers and docum= ents online, even a company with a vested interest in their own past doesn'= t care.=C2=A0 Google is sunsetting their cloud printing after being up for a decade. It's= only a matter of time before they find past free speech inconvenient and p= roblematic and terminate groups.=C2=A0 TLDR is that data needs to be shared, not made inaccessible by one company,= and the Google usenet thing is incomplete.=C2=A0 On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:33 AM +0800, "Larry McVoy" wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 01:06:45PM -0800, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 03:49:58PM -0500, Henry Bent wrote: > >=20 > > Has anyone definitely proven that any of the contents of these files ar= e > > not in the searchable Google Groups interface? I don't really see any = need > > to duplicate their efforts.=20 >=20 > That data is essentially unavailable to people without Google accounts. > Even back when it was, the search had degraded to the point where you > could paste explicit quotes from messages and those messages would not > be in the results page. >=20 > I wholeheartedly see a need to duplicate (and surpass) their efforts. The= =20 > Deja News service was wonderful; Google's implementation is not. Even if > someon were to convince them to improve it, they've demonstrated they're > not a good company to rely on for long-term availability of services > that are not active surveillance vehicles. Amen. ------=_Part_7260_1809238508.1574473687061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I for one believe= in duplication, and not relying on a single source. 

All the a= rtifacts survive today because they were scattered to the winds and found a= gain. 

Plus when building a database having 10gb of human entere= d data is invaluable. 

I should add that the first public listin= g of hack on Google is missing the last part.  But it's in the utzoo a= rchive. 


So the g= oogle stuff is incomplete. 

Besides it's fu= n to re-read the world when the rumours of Spocks iniment death in the next= movie circulated, and fans petitioned to save him, or even the fallout of = Tienemen square, and how it parallels in reddit.  
<= br>
I should also add now that Intel is purging all their old dr= ivers and documents online, even a company with a vested interest in their = own past doesn't care. 

Google is sunsettin= g their cloud printing after being up for a decade. It's only a matter of t= ime before they find past free speech inconvenient and problematic and term= inate groups. 

TLDR is that data needs to b= e shared, not made inaccessible by one company, and the Google usenet thing= is incomplete. 



On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:33 AM +0800, "Larry Mc= Voy" <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 01:06:45PM -0800, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 03:49:58PM -0500, Henry Bent wrote:
> >=20
> > Has anyone definitely proven that any of the contents of these fi=
les are
> > not in the searchable Google Groups interface?  I don't really se=
e any need
> > to duplicate their efforts.=20
>=20
> That data is essentially unavailable to people without Google accounts=
.
> Even back when it was, the search had degraded to the point where you
> could paste explicit quotes from messages and those messages would not
> be in the results page.
>=20
> I wholeheartedly see a need to duplicate (and surpass) their efforts. =
The=20
> Deja News service was wonderful; Google's implementation is not.  Even=
 if
> someon were to convince them to improve it, they've demonstrated they'=
re
> not a good company to rely on for long-term availability of services
> that are not active surveillance vehicles.

Amen.
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