From: Jason Stevens <jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com>
To: Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 03:57:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ADFDF14544A65F35.ef751030-3bb2-4d5c-9c75-5ed8c0610df6@mail.outlook.com> (raw)
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Indeed, without Unix there wouldn't have been the same rise of Mach, or the drive to make a portable VMS, as there wouldn't be a C either.
Many of the leaked internal tools to build NT reflect that all the back office stuff was on Xenix and VMS. Just as you can find mentions of emacs in the makefiles for NT, and how their life would be in jeopardy for changing the tab indentions.
Unix had such an incredible impact on the market that without it everything would be different.
Without Xenix micros would have continued to be snubbed by the high end crowd depriving that critical jump from machines that cost more than a large house to personal space.
What would be the portable OS to rule them all? TripOS is the best I can imagine. BCPL everywhere.
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:34 AM +0800, "Clem Cole" <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 5:08 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
My vague (and rough) recollection is CP/M -> DOS -> Windows.
"Windows" == Win95 -- which was a user Interface spec the kernel died
IBM CP-DOS -> OS/2 --\ \ ---> NT OS-2 -> NT/WIN ....... Today's WindowsCMU Mach --\ / ---> Mica -/DEC VMS --/
When Cutler did Mica and then NT OS-2 he did not care what the user interface was. Mica was a pure uk and NT OS-2 was also, but by the time of the product it became a hybrid. Putting a different user interface, be it DOS, OS/2, Unix, VMS or Windows was in the kernel design.
Clemᐧ
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2019-02-03 20:23 Dave Horsfall
2019-02-03 21:39 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2019-02-03 22:07 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-02-03 22:33 ` Clem Cole
2019-02-04 2:03 ` Paul Winalski
2019-02-04 3:57 ` Jason Stevens [this message]
2019-02-04 6:25 ` Peter Jeremy
2019-02-04 7:59 ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-04 15:04 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-02-04 15:39 ` Toby Thain
2019-02-04 17:08 ` Al Kossow
2019-02-03 22:39 ` Michael Kjörling
2019-02-03 22:55 ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-03 23:37 ` Andy Kosela
2019-02-04 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-04 1:00 ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-04 9:43 ` Donald ODona
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2019-02-04 23:42 Doug McIlroy
2019-02-05 3:49 ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-04 1:09 [TUHS] Happy Birthday " Doug McIlroy
2018-02-03 21:46 [TUHS] Happy birthday, " Norman Wilson
2018-02-03 20:57 Dave Horsfall
2018-02-03 21:12 ` Donald ODona
2018-02-03 21:59 ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04 0:52 ` Dave Horsfall
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2018-02-04 1:35 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-04 1:14 ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 13:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-02-05 13:13 ` Tony Finch
2018-02-05 15:45 ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-05 16:19 ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05 17:41 ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-05 21:58 ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-05 22:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 22:52 ` Toby Thain
2018-02-05 22:54 ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06 4:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-02-06 5:05 ` Gregg Levine
2018-02-03 21:35 ` Will Senn
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2018-02-04 1:51 ` Daniel Camolês
2018-02-04 17:33 ` Toby Thain
2017-02-03 20:00 Dave Horsfall
2017-02-04 12:38 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-04 12:44 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-04 13:15 ` Michael Kjörling
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