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Ip=[59.148.14.54]; Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SG2PR0201MB2080 Subject: Re: [TUHS] CMU Mach sources? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tuhs Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ------=_Part_21873_820095243.1561510412308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The only UX42 like thing I've found is a binary image on the Mach 3.0 disk = set of the mt xinu disks.=C2=A0 In one of the Amiga directories of Mach stu= ff and the NS512 there is the BSDSS version 4 dump.=C2=A0 I haven't tried t= o build it yet.=C2=A0 Apparently CMU had up to version 8 of it, until the A= T&T lawsuit where CMU apparently got cold feet and locked everything up.=20 If google works right it seems that you'll just find me interested in the o= ld stuff, the world has mostly passed this stuff on.=20 I have been looking for RS/6000 Mach the better part of forever.=C2=A0 Abso= lutely zero luck.=20 It's funny about MachTEN, I asked them about buying the source, and/or redi= stribution but all they have is apparently a mountain of version 4 CD-ROMs.= =20 The only exciting thing is getting the mt xinu binaries and being able to c= ompile the CSRG dump of 2.5.=C2=A0 I found on bochs that it's doing somethi= ng weird at the 3gb boundary which resulted in a triple fault and reboot.= =20 Everything is about doing elf debug, a.out is so out of vogue it's not even= funny.=C2=A0=20 I'd always assumed that Mach 2.5 on i386 actually works.=C2=A0 Although the= 3.0 stuff, at least on the Mt Xinu disks does.=C2=A0 Time to walk through = start and locore...=C2=A0 Definitely way above my pay grade.=20 Although it does look like there is some sequent machine with multiple 386 = processors implying that it's SMP capable.=C2=A0 Which probably doesn't wor= k, otherwise why would NeXT have been lacking in SMP for so long?=C2=A0 It'= d have been awesome on the SUN hardware, and of course on i386.=C2=A0 Inste= ad it didn't come until what? OS X 10.3? Im always saddened on how the most prolific platform was ignored back in th= e day it seems.=C2=A0 Sure the 80386 isnt sexy but they didn't have to cost= as much as a luxury car.=20 Have you tried emailing professors at mit, Utah or CMU?=C2=A0 Maybe they mi= ght take you up on it.=C2=A0 I had zero luck, but I don't have any 'in'.=C2= =A0 I'm just some dropout that barely made it through high school, not exac= tly university material.=20 Get Outlook for Android On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:26 AM +0800, "Chris Hanson" wrote: On Jun 24, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: >=20 > Actually Chris, I found a complete collection of both CMU Mach and the > Flux Group Mach, and even MkMach at the FTP2 site for the French > OpenBSD location, ftp://ftp2.fr.openbsd.org under the pub and the mach > directories. Thanks for this, but it=E2=80=99s just the stuff that was made publicly ava= ilable by these groups. It=E2=80=99s useful, especially to have via FTP (ea= sier to sync), but it doesn=E2=80=99t cover things like UX42 (the BSD atop = Mach that CMU deployed to cluster workstations). -- Chris ------=_Part_21873_820095243.1561510412308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
T= he only UX42 like thing I've found is a binary image on the Mach 3.0 disk s= et of the mt xinu disks.  In one of the Amiga directories of Mach stuf= f and the NS512 there is the BSDSS version 4 dump.  I haven't tried to= build it yet.  Apparently CMU had up to version 8 of it, until the AT= &T lawsuit where CMU apparently got cold feet and locked everything up.=

If google works right it s= eems that you'll just find me interested in the old stuff, the world has mo= stly passed this stuff on.

I have been looking for RS= /6000 Mach the better part of forever.  Absolutely zero luck.

It's funny about MachTEN, = I asked them about buying the source, and/or redistribution but all they ha= ve is apparently a mountain of version 4 CD-ROMs.

The only exciting thing is= getting the mt xinu binaries and being able to compile the CSRG dump of 2.= 5.  I found on bochs that it's doing something weird at the 3gb bounda= ry which resulted in a triple fault and reboot.

Everything is about doing = elf debug, a.out is so out of vogue it's not even funny. 

I'd always assumed that Ma= ch 2.5 on i386 actually works.  Although the 3.0 stuff, at least on th= e Mt Xinu disks does.  Time to walk through start and locore...  = Definitely way above my pay grade.

Although it does look like= there is some sequent machine with multiple 386 processors implying that i= t's SMP capable.  Which probably doesn't work, otherwise why would NeX= T have been lacking in SMP for so long?  It'd have been awesome on the= SUN hardware, and of course on i386.  Instead it didn't come until wh= at? OS X 10.3?

Im always saddened on how = the most prolific platform was ignored back in the day it seems.  Sure= the 80386 isnt sexy but they didn't have to cost as much as a luxury car. =

Have you tried emailing pr= ofessors at mit, Utah or CMU?  Maybe they might take you up on it.&nbs= p; I had zero luck, but I don't have any 'in'.  I'm just some dropout = that barely made it through high school, not exactly university material. <= br>



On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:26 AM +0800, "Chris Ha= nson" <cmhanson@eschatologist.net> wrote:

On Jun 24, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Gregg Levine  wro=
te:
>=20
> Actually Chris, I found a complete collection of both CMU Mach and the
> Flux Group Mach, and even MkMach at the FTP2 site for the French
> OpenBSD location, ftp://ftp2.fr.openbsd.org under the pub and the mach
> directories.

Thanks for this, but it=E2=80=99s just the stuff that was made publicly ava=
ilable by these groups. It=E2=80=99s useful, especially to have via FTP (ea=
sier to sync), but it doesn=E2=80=99t cover things like UX42 (the BSD atop =
Mach that CMU deployed to cluster workstations).

  -- Chris
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