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[108.20.187.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o42sm25940681qtc.90.2018.12.31.17.58.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 31 Dec 2018 17:58:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Clem cole X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: <20181231233605.GA1837@minnie.tuhs.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 20:58:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7AEB778A-EBC9-4A89-8E3B-A771FF5FC9B3@ccc.com> <20181231233605.GA1837@minnie.tuhs.org> To: Warren Toomey Subject: Re: [TUHS] Useful Unix tools + Usenix tapes X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Warren There are a number of usenix tapes missing in your archives. The fi= rst three were called 1 2 and 3 from the mid 70s but where included in the H= arvard tape*** from about 76 or 77 which I sort of consider the first usenix= tape. Note that This is an stp format distribution. Which IIRC the v6 t= p could read or at least read it enough to pull the stp binary off the tape w= hich would then allow you read the whole thing. You will need the v6 ar= because the directories inside the tape were archived as files called cont.= a And I think I remember that some of those were compressed with pack/unpa= ck tools which were in the wild in those days =E2=80=94 probably also on the= Harvard tape. As I mentioned the other day the 1BSD tape you have seems t= o be a conversion from stp to tar. =20 FYI: one of the issues with tp and stp is that the directory for the tape i= s at the beginning of the tape itself and is fixed in size [this is have DEC= tape worked]. Because it was fixed in size folks archived directories toget= her so the tp directory needed only the folder and a single file it. FWIW O= ne of the big enhancements tar provided over tp was the threading the direct= ory throughout the archive which eliminated tat issue, but of course if ther= e is a tape error recovery is more difficult. IIRC Harvard had added a seco= nd directory to the end of tp in the stp format to help reliability. Ie if y= ou had errors in the tp directory at the front of the tape, you had a chance= to recover by using the second copy of it. =20 *** the Harvard tape takes it name from the meeting at Harvard of the Unix N= ews readers. This would become USENIX as an org shortly there after. The e= arlier tapes (1 2 and 3) were what files had been collected at earlier meeti= ngs.=20 Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.= =20 > On Dec 31, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 09:55:31AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: >> *** Note to Warren. It might be a wise to put copies of v6tar (both >> seperate I/D and not) binaries and maybe cpio(v6) on the TUHS we site >> in the V6 directory; maybe, a 'collected_tools' directory. Noel's >> tools would probably make sense to add there also. I bet people that >> are downloading and playing might find them helpful. >=20 > In the Unix Archive, there is this location: > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Tools/ >=20 > It's separate from the distributions. Pro: it keeps the original files > separate from 3rd party things; con: it's a bit harder to find things > when you need them. >=20 > If anybody has other tools or useful utilities to add in here, let me know= ! >=20 > There are some Usenix tapes in the archive here: > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/ > Look in Shoppa_Tapes, Spencer_Tapes and Spencer_Tapes. If there are > other tape images out there that I could add, let me know as well. >=20 > Happy New Year, everyone. > Cheers, Warren