From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5564 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2023 23:53:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Nov 2023 23:53:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1FF40BD9; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:53:26 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1700178807; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=cH5BU91wi9KKMCaDW+H1MgqhdF9BVjh3kK+PaWVxUr4=; b=4W90kkHGvXCrYXgiD5IfZx6A0TMat35p1YY7qOv1YCJ1Ib1sNJcRsz7RVbtfR77TePIY1Q ung+vMz0UMD5n+2O35a5q4HrdO4aLgFe3eTZl9DhsLPSOuxVUD+p49jTarIqTaH8AEo9io IInx+NwjPGSoheYcj8qC21xV80nD58E= Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch (mail-4325.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8697A402A0 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:53:14 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1700178792; x=1700437992; bh=cH5BU91wi9KKMCaDW+H1MgqhdF9BVjh3kK+PaWVxUr4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=zJc3f/mbSeBcasAIUssTio4ytB9llHwPS5iTw0XuW//v4MrT61mPr+6M5RNp6wRy8 g9pmH6FUOd9iZiS2VYwjYDSVWvcsyFg5U/QukdzowtFWsSCVoUYU0Ye1eSeFq56fpy s+vvmTRiMgvIOCdE8ZYRAMoQt606zNGNFLX4zqflERLhv/Im2qPQBQi5JBpng+36Xv O11uCajFDGQDvYudlDFwk41bszNg/LcBdPnQF7GSBIi/7WNMvxr2zQs+Y4x2lwSjMJ MUoJ9wTGR+NJ+8H6Q7HRifKzAZBKSBL44QnHP7xYtAPpOjdgyj6w3wQ8Ye4Tkx6wwu 9P9Q1CVBIJFew== Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:52:57 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: ZUATQ7I5ICHG75PBJXWG4ITBEDRGGMEZ X-Message-ID-Hash: ZUATQ7I5ICHG75PBJXWG4ITBEDRGGMEZ X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] UNIX Release 3.0 vs System III Published Materials? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco Hello everyone, I've just recently secured an item that has drawn some ques= tions to mind. The item is a "UNIX System III Programmer's Manual Volume 2= A" (image from auction listing: https://i.imgur.com/6blnqz3.jpeg). The cover is of a typical 70's Bell System motif, branded Western Electric,= with blue and yellow lines and a Bell logo. The cover itself appears to b= e a typical report cover with a window for the title page of the document. First, I've only seen System III stuff still labeled "Release 3.0." Indeed= the manual I have says Release 3.0 on the title page. Also, said manual i= s Bell Laboratories branded and has the blue and yellow lines near the top,= above the cover text but below the Bell Laboratories logotype, an arrangem= ent that can be seen on plenty of Bell Laboratories stuff even into the AT&= T period (with the lines being replaced with the blue, red, and black, and = death star instead of bell.) With this set, however, it is specifically labeled "System III". I've hear= d, anecdotally, that there were User's Manuals that specifically had the te= xt "System III" on the title page, but I've never seen this myself. Are th= ere System III branded manuals or am I misremembering. Additionally, this = is labeled specifically Western Electric rather than Bell Labs. Western El= ectric would continue to be the name on the cover of UNIX documentation (fo= r the most part) after this until divestiture. If such formal "System III"= manuals exist, which branding did they happen to get? Another curious matter is the document is titled "Programmer's Manual...Vol= ume 2A". This nomenclature is more commonly associated with research than = stuff descending more from the PWB line like the commercial lineage. For i= nstance, even PWB 1.0 listed its two main documents as "User's Manual" and = "Documents for Use With". Research has always called the document the "Pro= grammer's Manual" as far as I know, and the "Documents for Use With" nomenc= lature was only used with V6, V7 introduced treating the two sets as "Volum= es" of the same larger work. What's interesting is in the sources for Syst= em III on the archive, in /usr/src/man/docs, the road_map (Documentation Ro= admap) specifically uses the text "User's Manual" and "Documents for UNIX",= which is still the case by 4.x (albeit the a_man/u_man split seems to have= happened right about this time). In any case, I would be curious if anyon= e knows what was going on with the naming of documentation at this time. W= ould this imply that there is some variation on the 3.0/SysIII manual out t= here named "Programmer's Manual" instead of "User's Manual", or perhaps tha= t for some reason when the Sys III variants of these docs had started being= published, they had for some reason tried to cut over to the V7 documentat= ion structure only to back out back to "Documents for UNIX" and a "User's M= anual" as distinct things by the time of 4.0? In any case, once this gets here, I'll look it over for anything compelling= that might set it apart from the document sources in the UNIX tree. I'm a= bit bummed it's only Volume 2A, not both, but it'll be nice to have a phys= ical example of the distributed, published documentation of the time. Mayb= e a 2B will pop up one of these days. Thanks for any insights or recollections! - Matt G. P.S. Long shot, very long shot, but if anyone on this mailing list has any = empty, unused Bell System report covers of the era, Bell Laboratories espec= ially, I would happily buy them from you. I've got my V6 documents and som= e BSD stuff just in random report covers I fished out of the university rec= ycling, they'd look much nicer in proper covers, but I also recognize the b= ulk of those covers probably also wound up in some recycling/waste stream d= ecades ago and no longer exist. Once I get this I could use the cover to p= roduce a reasonable facsimile but I feel a tad uneasy regarding "breaking t= he seal" on that prospect, I don't want to cross the line from improving th= e aesthetics of my bookshelf to counterfeiting something.