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From: Bakul Shah via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org>
To: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: pseudo tty history
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 15:33:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B1AFEA99-AFC5-457C-8927-9C672C75FBFA@iitbombay.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP6exY+tt=64CyxeZZFjnQdXG-7JxVhsHr7aidVGz9yQ9uG16Q@mail.gmail.com>

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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoterminal

Pseudoterminals were present in the DEC <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Equipment_Corporation> PDP-6 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-6> Timesharing Monitor at least as early as 1967, and were used to implement batch processing. They are described in the documentation for the succeeding TOPS-10 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOPS-10> on the PDP-10 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-10>.[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoterminal#cite_note-6> Other DEC operating systems also had PTYs, including RSTS/E <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSTS/E> for the PDP-11 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11>, as did the third-party TENEX <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TENEX_(operating_system)> operating system for the PDP-10.

Implementations of Unix pseudo terminals date back to the modifications that RAND and BBN made to a 6th Edition in the late 1970s to support remote access over a network.[7] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoterminal#cite_note-7> Modern Unix pseudoterminals originated in 1983 during the development of Eighth Edition Unix <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_8_Unix> and were based on a similar feature in TENEX.[8] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoterminal#cite_note-8> They were part of the 4.3BSD-Reno <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.3BSD-Reno>, with a rather cumbersome openpty() interface defined for use.[9] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoterminal#cite_note-9>

[In absence of a more authoritative source]

> On Aug 15, 2025, at 3:28 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> so the question of pseudo tty came up today. 
> 
> My memory is that it started with TOPS-10, though I doubt I know enough. Vague memory says there was a PTY: device.
> 
> Further, I believe pty came in from UCB ca 1977 or so? 
> 
> I'm wondering if people who were Present at the Creation can fill in the gaps.
> 
> Thanks


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 22:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-15 22:28 [TUHS] pseudo tty history ron minnich
2025-08-15 22:33 ` Bakul Shah via TUHS [this message]
2025-08-15 22:56   ` [TUHS] " Ron Natalie
2025-08-15 23:00     ` ron minnich
2025-08-15 23:15       ` Warner Losh
2025-08-15 23:19         ` Tom Lyon
2025-08-16  0:53           ` Jonathan Gray
2025-08-16  1:49           ` ron minnich
2025-08-16  2:48             ` Ron Natalie
2025-08-16  3:23             ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2025-08-16  3:35               ` Clem Cole
2025-08-16  3:50                 ` Aron Insinga
2025-08-16 14:57                   ` Clem Cole
2025-08-17  0:21                     ` Aron Insinga
2025-08-17  1:05                       ` Larry McVoy
2025-08-17  1:13                         ` Al Kossow
2025-08-17  1:16                           ` Al Kossow
2025-08-17  1:25                             ` Al Kossow
2025-08-17  2:02                           ` Larry McVoy
2025-08-17  1:25                         ` Lawrence Stewart
2025-08-17  1:56                         ` [TUHS] Re: magic, was " John Levine
2025-08-18  3:07                           ` Aron Insinga
2025-08-16  3:20           ` [TUHS] " Clem Cole
2025-08-16  3:19     ` Clem Cole
2025-08-16  1:19 ` Jeremy C. Reed

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