From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2088 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2023 03:56:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Aug 2023 03:56:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8213B410EF; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:56:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-x434.google.com (mail-pf1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::434]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31634410EE for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:56:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-x434.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-6877eb31261so361539b3a.1 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:56:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iitbombay-org.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1691034961; x=1691639761; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=6u1cusuR0Vsq7WTTg+l/MbEKzBA2pNMHJCthjmR1eNs=; b=Q4QFu8gniFOhyqG3KU+5RQdbqecsDAvCnFX1yQZyn4+Dd27Xmk3vYKKs3K6z108TgP /yaRiBoRs047eLh8VVxn3JpefC0vyPmp5M+doeTIx8Ra1jQ9kLb2Fd67b/LZ3JPabLZW /OObR1EMZYfVIvy3cozL+kfHf87PaaWQfYEhBXlhLVFZu2/dNifbdqocXf/iY7sGXmKl rvLNK0kK5OLMNA9NmOKM/MiiQCm8Lyr4J/db8sgCQ7l5o+lv7P5lGnq8Qgv0SJqxWSk7 4Z6gDORFwMJ2r7qWWRpOiVJv+j3+Dse8dBDy+PsbzY8UDclvN6EoqenwO0I5DmJXDzli BjpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691034961; x=1691639761; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6u1cusuR0Vsq7WTTg+l/MbEKzBA2pNMHJCthjmR1eNs=; b=OVv/pI3Dvw9Fxre3j5Y6FiyJAl6tpekxODcOy0lH6GbeIAvnWShOJ84V+p5Jm/z4de QD1uYttqqysL+XTsNCS7YazIYY9hqyg9nmQY3xoXhAwFINjDHFUq3hE7gIRkuBYd9oww n5iNvW86uXXtbHxlo4OH68hFiv1rfzKe20cTIYnhZ18usDCLATdtvZtVBetq+bQBfARi MExDf00K+kSV6m4m2uh6yNWEXJeqqT0o0E5aeu+S6mphPQw5+xwBJfqpjDj2pw951SAm D8CIG8zttekocpbidNSI7w8Aam1ixq8+xtNiCF8jsZxlMsuJcy57JdkD9lTbrjwqkWRi qpVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLbYHRu+LKAKiWpuzu6srRZdd9PL8taPJ0VumQVJq2KN4xks42pV xGnvqC3STjXjHVBZxRfsvdydgQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlG7ygb7/F2TgRHhkBBbNXNdprHvORceEZF65FLPjZQ7r7xnS+ldqaznJRJLHppwO2Y5EaQ9pw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:729d:b0:13b:7757:d5b6 with SMTP id o29-20020a056a20729d00b0013b7757d5b6mr20846483pzk.57.1691034961356; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (107-215-223-229.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g14-20020a1709029f8e00b001b53c8659fesm13119980plq.30.2023.08.02.20.56.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.600.7\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:55:50 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> <29602.1690887524@cesium.clock.org> <20230803005106.GA12652@mcvoy.com> To: George Michaelson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.600.7) Message-ID-Hash: 5SBYKZLKPJ265JYCVUC3L7BMXOIRIDGP X-Message-ID-Hash: 5SBYKZLKPJ265JYCVUC3L7BMXOIRIDGP X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: python List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: python can certainly implement tail call optimization (TCO). Pretty much = any language can implement TCO but for some reason people think such = programs are harder to debug (and yet they don't similarly complain = about loops!). The beauty of Scheme was that it *mandated* tail = recursion.=20 > On Aug 2, 2023, at 8:24 PM, George Michaelson = wrote: >=20 > Tail recursion not lazy eval. >=20 > I wish words meant what I meant "inside" when I think them, not > "outside" what they mean when I write them.