From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3DB22A7B for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:42:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13F943698; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:42:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pasta.tip.net.au (pasta.tip.net.au [IPv6:2401:fc00:0:129::2]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D63BA43696 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:42:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (203-7-124-164.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.7.124.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.tip.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4WFVTx7126z9R7S; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:41:56 +1000 (AEST) From: sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AEB55BA5-5057-4B99-A6DE-3A7E2E6A00AC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.600.62\)) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:41:44 +1000 In-Reply-To: To: segaloco , TUHS References: <93529CA0-7097-443C-999B-384BE6BD5683@canb.auug.org.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.600.62) Message-ID-Hash: TGTAVWOAUG76SPFJAADRRQAMKOQ7RIE3 X-Message-ID-Hash: TGTAVWOAUG76SPFJAADRRQAMKOQ7RIE3 X-MailFrom: sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_AEB55BA5-5057-4B99-A6DE-3A7E2E6A00AC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks to everyone who=E2=80=99s contributed to this thread. Lots of good insight and views. I should=E2=80=99ve said =E2=80=9Ccase studies in software = development=E2=80=9D. Summary: Nobody on list has heard of such case studies. I took the Lions class, it was not about development, taught us = Operating Systems. John had a pedagogical principle - people learn programming by reading = good code. > On 5 Jul 2024, at 06:44, segaloco via TUHS wrote: >=20 > On Thursday, July 4th, 2024 at 1:34 PM, Nevin Liber = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> There are something like 28 million public repositories on Github. = How many of them are abandoned (no commitment)?=20 >> ... >> -- >> Nevin ":-)" Liber +1-847-691-1404 >=20 > I do appreciate that, while yes there are a lot of abandoned threads = on various public source control providers, that those threads are = indeed public and could be picked back up by the right person in certain = circumstances. I've benefitted more than once from someone leaving = something up, even if I had to pay a bit of technical debt myself to get = use out of it. While entropy levies its tax over time, it's better than = things disappearing into some black hole, never to be seen again. >=20 > As much as I don't like the LLM trend, one application of the modern = trend of generative LLMs could be plundering the depths of all of this = code (respective of licensing of course) to dredge up hidden nuggets = just waiting to be discovered. Everything useful gets invented at some = point, I have to wonder what's sitting in some abandoned repo somewhere = just waiting to fit someone's use-case like hand in glove. After all, = isn't that one of the many reasons we go digging around in decades-old = UNIX code still :) >=20 > - Matt G. -- Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design=20 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA mailto:sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin --Apple-Mail=_AEB55BA5-5057-4B99-A6DE-3A7E2E6A00AC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks to = everyone who=E2=80=99s contributed to this thread.
Lots of good = insight and views.

I should=E2=80=99ve said = =E2=80=9Ccase studies in software = development=E2=80=9D.

Summary:
Nobody on = list has heard of such case studies.

I took the = Lions class, it was not about development, taught us Operating = Systems.

John had a pedagogical principle - = people learn programming by reading good code.

On 5 Jul 2024, at 06:44, segaloco via TUHS = <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:

On Thursday, July 4th, = 2024 at 1:34 PM, Nevin Liber <nevin@eviloverlord.com> = wrote:


There are something like 28 = million public repositories on Github. How many of them are abandoned = (no commitment)?
...
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Nevin ":-)" Liber = <mailto:nevin@eviloverlord.com> = +1-847-691-1404

I do appreciate that, while yes = there are a lot of abandoned threads on various public source control = providers, that those threads are indeed public and could be picked back = up by the right person in certain circumstances.  I've benefitted = more than once from someone leaving something up, even if I had to pay a = bit of technical debt myself to get use out of it.  While entropy = levies its tax over time, it's better than things disappearing into some = black hole, never to be seen again.

As much as I don't like the = LLM trend, one application of the modern trend of generative LLMs could = be plundering the depths of all of this code (respective of licensing of = course) to dredge up hidden nuggets just waiting to be discovered. =  Everything useful gets invented at some point, I have to wonder = what's sitting in some abandoned repo somewhere just waiting to fit = someone's use-case like hand in glove.  After all, isn't that one = of the many reasons we go digging around in decades-old UNIX code still = :)

- Matt G.


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0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915)
PO Box 38, Kippax ACT = 2615, = AUSTRALIA

mailto:sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.n= et.au/~sjenkin

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