From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17216 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2023 17:47:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Feb 2023 17:47:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F6D41295; Sat, 4 Feb 2023 03:47:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f48.google.com (mail-io1-f48.google.com [209.85.166.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB2741293 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2023 03:47:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f48.google.com with SMTP id 65so2250226iou.3 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 09:47:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iitbombay-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=HM/TDbmrqafxsZO3GafeCjk4IBuDQt4tD4OoCZSvSsU=; b=EftigsrhaVvJP4+hZ736tVD63HnB3f28F4RUrwZqJzs7U3d9sBOBUgkqflrtJO3Z12 ZipNoj3h6UnEVBcPi5WWgq1aWhw4Vzn5nYHeXWINeE2TKESrD20krCE8DUrk69fx7yZv I3yQnPRf2CQaQHcLVB5aqMw9On1fmeAzl6qh/qkza3bIJQM5UYHfqU9+i/8bMBvaoZUz Wl+VaYeL9ljqGl9LW7raYNYoC+N4TuiQE8CJm2EVhwmNiqJbceIMj0Dmd5f8HLGAPK8W m6Yrn1d15vVm7trO+eY1qOIrcf4KUdcuAJq7MyU3d5stLq0G0YQ/GDfvzddHSUG2ZyLt QroQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HM/TDbmrqafxsZO3GafeCjk4IBuDQt4tD4OoCZSvSsU=; b=0Ehc5Q1q8dp/dete8wlkFSKq9vKGLFp66fTqyYBFjeESxNBBsFrbslehHDGoHuO9QD pbAWVVO3WSxcSUnXabNv364x8SCA1S4u+yikFrTLsc204nmCLynlqex7y5dSWImEwujx hBMR34y64BbD6fDzQu6MbiOgmOu3/6d2sO1Fr1lBdxKef6y8mhl9NorGy4TQzN8wuA6n HDcpnF0qQ6etn4uhcKuGFRcfpiOgi3CggHvPUIjfYFLVGQhMAomAOl/WUefLC96NwhIH 7URYVJ4fEY5wTAkXfVyYqCYApeJOrTjvuhWRJ4dPJg1AzVP1w6nfE94yx2ord6JDlubk 294Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKV1PGCQtjrRzdK1S+NR3zt2jH64q0WWf8RcNr/32fFv1Fct5Y0H Or7CmLM+D7lVmm9xSB6TlbmlEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9xpRpgWKG1HbhVEZXrk3Rc779nKPWBbiI9vt+4qaPl4eczQaqRO9wpNN/cYbueS5owfWgPjw== X-Received: by 2002:a6b:3f45:0:b0:71d:ef29:9064 with SMTP id m66-20020a6b3f45000000b0071def299064mr7052593ioa.17.1675446370423; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 09:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (107-215-223-229.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m12-20020a5d898c000000b0071c66d1a2fcsm896390iol.0.2023.02.03.09.46.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Feb 2023 09:46:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Bakul Shah Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 09:45:59 -0800 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: Dan Cross X-Mailer: iPad Mail (20D47) Message-ID-Hash: 6LLLF7ERYF73BTTMZSGM3EJJRQLIEWK6 X-Message-ID-Hash: 6LLLF7ERYF73BTTMZSGM3EJJRQLIEWK6 X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Feb 3, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Dan Cross wrote: >=20 > But TUHS is clearly meant to be a Unix history list, not a "list about > new systems where we can ask about history because that helps us build > those new systems". In that sense, I'm not looking for COFF or a retro > or classic computer list, either, but for something explicitly modern > yet informed by history. >=20 > I don't believe such a thing actually exists. I=E2=80=99m not aware of one. May be comp.arch comes close. Any new list will have difficulty attracting the right kind of people. TUHS, COFF are rather unix oriented. If you mean *software systems*, I suspect the field is still too green to have a proper systematic analysis or established engineering principles. We still seem to be in the =E2=80=9CCamb= rian explosion=E2=80=9D phase where every new complex system is a new species.=