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* [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
@ 2020-05-18 21:01 Paul Ruizendaal
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From: Paul Ruizendaal @ 2020-05-18 21:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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The surviving 8th edition source has code for Chaos networking included:
https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V8/usr/sys <https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V8/usr/sys>
It does not appear to be included in the man pages.

Was Chaos networking in use at the labs, or is it just an artifact present on the surviving tape?

Related to that, I’m interested in the Chaosnet implementation for 7th edition. Dave Moon's Chaosnet memo includes this intriguing sentence when talking about the V7 implementation: “The NCP is entirely implemented in the kernel as a device driver”.

I could not find that source code in the TUHS archive, nor on Kirk McKusick’s DVD. Does anybody happen to have it?






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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-21 15:18   ` Dave Horsfall
  2020-05-21 16:29     ` Nemo Nusquam
  2020-05-21 16:59     ` Lars Brinkhoff
@ 2020-05-21 18:50     ` Paul Winalski
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From: Paul Winalski @ 2020-05-21 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On 5/21/20, Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>
> My EMACS gatherings:
>
>      EMACS - eight megs and constantly swapping
>
>      "Enough Memory? A Concept Strange!"
>
>      I thought it stood for Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift
>
>      Emacs Makes A Computer Slow
>
>      Eventually Munches All Computer Storage
>
> More contributions welcome...  I'll put 'em on my pitiful excuse for a web
> page some day.

Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift

-Paul W.

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-20  6:06 ` Rob Pike
  2020-05-20 11:43   ` William Cheswick
  2020-05-21 15:18   ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2020-05-21 17:25   ` thomas kirk
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From: thomas kirk @ 2020-05-21 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rob Pike; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society, Doug McIlroy

there were several symbolics machines nearby in 1125/6. no reason for any of them
to be using chaosnet, but some probably did anyway.


Rob Pike writes:
 > I have vague memories of one in 1135 or 1138. Could just be thinking of the
 > Symbolics poster by Bart's desk, though, the one advertising Emacs's "over
 > 400 easy to use commands".
 > 
 > -rob
 > 
 > 
 > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 1:30 PM Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
 > 
 > > >> I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
 > > >> the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
 > > >> it at some point
 > >
 > > > Speculating wildly, maybe there was a Lisp machine somewhere?
 > >
 > > None that I can remember.
 > >
 > > Doug
 > >

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-21 15:18   ` Dave Horsfall
  2020-05-21 16:29     ` Nemo Nusquam
@ 2020-05-21 16:59     ` Lars Brinkhoff
  2020-05-21 18:50     ` Paul Winalski
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From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2020-05-21 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

Dave Horsfall wrote:
> My EMACS gatherings:
>
>     EMACS - eight megs and constantly swapping
> ...

GNU Emacs comes with a file called JOKES which has most of those.
A selection:

Emacs Means A Crappy Screen
Egregious Managers Actively Court Stallman
Generally Not Used Except by Middle Aged Computer Scientists
Emacs Makers Are Crazy Sickos

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-21 15:18   ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2020-05-21 16:29     ` Nemo Nusquam
  2020-05-21 16:59     ` Lars Brinkhoff
  2020-05-21 18:50     ` Paul Winalski
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From: Nemo Nusquam @ 2020-05-21 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 05/21/20 11:18, Dave Horsfall wrote (in part):
> More contributions welcome...  I'll put 'em on my pitiful excuse for a 
> web page some day.

This is a pathetic contribution as I cannot remember when or where but I 
recall a cartoon from decades ago that showed someone sitting at a 
terminal and telling the person behind him that this editor (emacs) hits 
the disc a little too often.  The disc pack can be seen flying up from 
its drive.

> -- Dave, a committed VI user (and probably who ought to be committed)

N.  (mostly emacs these days but I use both #6-)


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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-20  6:06 ` Rob Pike
  2020-05-20 11:43   ` William Cheswick
@ 2020-05-21 15:18   ` Dave Horsfall
  2020-05-21 16:29     ` Nemo Nusquam
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  2020-05-21 17:25   ` thomas kirk
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2020-05-21 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society


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On Wed, 20 May 2020, Rob Pike wrote:

> I have vague memories of one in 1135 or 1138. Could just be thinking of 
> the Symbolics poster by Bart's desk, though, the one advertising 
> Emacs's "over 400 easy to use commands".

My EMACS gatherings:

     EMACS - eight megs and constantly swapping

     "Enough Memory? A Concept Strange!"

     I thought it stood for Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift

     Emacs Makes A Computer Slow

     Eventually Munches All Computer Storage

More contributions welcome...  I'll put 'em on my pitiful excuse for a web 
page some day.

-- Dave, a committed VI user (and probably who ought to be committed)

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-20 11:43   ` William Cheswick
@ 2020-05-20 12:30     ` John P. Linderman
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From: John P. Linderman @ 2020-05-20 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: William Cheswick; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society


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Who had the symbolics Lillian used? I know it wasn't the MH wing of 113.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:50 AM William Cheswick <ches@cheswick.com> wrote:

> Lillian Schwartz used a symbolics, and has missed it in recent years.
>
> > On May 20, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have vague memories of one in 1135 or 1138. Could just be thinking of
> the Symbolics poster by Bart's desk, though, the one advertising Emacs's
> "over 400 easy to use commands".
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 1:30 PM Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> wrote:
> > >> I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
> > >> the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
> > >> it at some point
> >
> > > Speculating wildly, maybe there was a Lisp machine somewhere?
> >
> > None that I can remember.
> >
> > Doug
>
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-20  6:06 ` Rob Pike
@ 2020-05-20 11:43   ` William Cheswick
  2020-05-20 12:30     ` John P. Linderman
  2020-05-21 15:18   ` Dave Horsfall
  2020-05-21 17:25   ` thomas kirk
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: William Cheswick @ 2020-05-20 11:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

Lillian Schwartz used a symbolics, and has missed it in recent years.

> On May 20, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have vague memories of one in 1135 or 1138. Could just be thinking of the Symbolics poster by Bart's desk, though, the one advertising Emacs's "over 400 easy to use commands".
> 
> -rob
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 1:30 PM Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >> I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
> >> the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
> >> it at some point
> 
> > Speculating wildly, maybe there was a Lisp machine somewhere?
> 
> None that I can remember.
> 
> Doug


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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-20  3:29 Doug McIlroy
@ 2020-05-20  6:06 ` Rob Pike
  2020-05-20 11:43   ` William Cheswick
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From: Rob Pike @ 2020-05-20  6:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Doug McIlroy; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society


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I have vague memories of one in 1135 or 1138. Could just be thinking of the
Symbolics poster by Bart's desk, though, the one advertising Emacs's "over
400 easy to use commands".

-rob


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 1:30 PM Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> >> I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
> >> the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
> >> it at some point
>
> > Speculating wildly, maybe there was a Lisp machine somewhere?
>
> None that I can remember.
>
> Doug
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
@ 2020-05-20  3:29 Doug McIlroy
  2020-05-20  6:06 ` Rob Pike
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From: Doug McIlroy @ 2020-05-20  3:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

>> I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
>> the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
>> it at some point

> Speculating wildly, maybe there was a Lisp machine somewhere?

None that I can remember.

Doug

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* Re: [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
  2020-05-18 21:52 Norman Wilson
@ 2020-05-19  3:41 ` Lars Brinkhoff
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From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2020-05-19  3:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Norman Wilson; +Cc: tuhs

Norman Wilson wrote:
> Paul Ruizendaal wrote:
>> Was Chaos networking in use at the labs, or is it just an artifact
>> present on the surviving tape?
>
> I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
> the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
> it at some point

Speculating wildly, maybe there was a Lisp machine somewhere?

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* [TUHS] Chaos networking in 8th edition (and in 7th)
@ 2020-05-18 21:52 Norman Wilson
  2020-05-19  3:41 ` Lars Brinkhoff
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From: Norman Wilson @ 2020-05-18 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Paul Ruizendaal:

  Was Chaos networking in use at the labs, or is it just an artifact
  present on the surviving tape?

===

I don't recall any use of Chaos in 1127.  Possibly one of
the nearby groups who also used the Research system needed
it at some point, perhaps before my time (I arrived in
August 1984).

I certainly don't remember anyone raising objections to
discarding it.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

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