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From: steve jenkin <sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au>
To: TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Cc: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 21:42:31 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B7AA4E29-17E8-40D2-94A3-D9EFE51BECF2@canb.auug.org.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B5EE26EC-68AB-479F-A69F-A1429FE443CB@iitbombay.org>


> On 4 Feb 2023, at 04:45, Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:
> 
> We still seem to be in the “Cambrian explosion” phase
> where every new complex system is a new species.

You just perfectly described the computing world  before 1965 & IBM’s 360.
A range with 10x - 20x (? recall failure) of compatible models.

This was repeated with microprocessors
 - at each ‘process step’, one clock frequency option for many years.

Can’t recall who invented the range of CPU options we now have:

	server, desktop, laptop, tablet and ‘embedded’

Might’ve been two variants of 486, can’t recall.

There was a tower of babel with Networking for decades,
first the physical layer,
then the packet layer, 
then network / protocol layer.

We ended up with cat-5/6 twisted pair as the most common
physical layer (with RJ-45’),
async packets framed with Ethernet,
running IP protocols over the network layer.

“Internetwork” is a give away in the name “I.P.”.

This, despite IBM & Microsoft’s  (& others) considerable efforts otherwise.

Mature markets require “Standard” parts / services,
so consumers can mix-n-match as they wish.

Standards facilitate “substitutes” & competition necessary
to generate low-margin, high-volume commodity markets.

By definition, commodity markets trade “fungible goods”
destined for consumers. So many of these, hard to list.

Standards - where manufacturers agree on common designs -
only appear when manufacturers agree they’ve a common
interest in building “volume”, not locking customers in.

This happened very early with bipolar TTL logic.

Smart phones are mostly Linux / Android,
with Apple still able to sell non-commodity designs
at premium prices.

Remember Microsoft’s foray, via Nokia, into Mobiles?
“Pocket PC” and “Windows Mobile” / Windows Phone:

	Crashed and burned.

Even Nokia, then largest phone seller,
with the proven Symbian O/S,
 failed against Android.

--
Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design 
0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915)
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-05 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-02 19:02 [TUHS] Typesetter C compiler Noel Chiappa
2023-02-02 21:57 ` [TUHS] " Jonathan Gray
2023-02-03  0:43   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-02-02 22:36 ` [TUHS] Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler) Dan Cross
2023-02-02 22:41   ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-02-02 22:47     ` Jim Capp
2023-02-03  1:44   ` Dave Horsfall
2023-02-03 13:17     ` Alan D. Salewski
2023-02-03 13:55       ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-06 20:02         ` Chris Hanson
2023-02-03 14:11     ` Chet Ramey
2023-02-03 14:15       ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-03 16:39         ` Dan Cross
2023-02-03 16:54           ` Larry McVoy
2023-02-03 17:08             ` Dan Cross
2023-02-03 17:11             ` Steve Nickolas
2023-02-03 17:26               ` [TUHS] move to COFF " Will Senn
2023-02-03 17:31                 ` [TUHS] " Will Senn
2023-02-03 17:45           ` [TUHS] " Bakul Shah
2023-02-05 10:42             ` steve jenkin [this message]
2023-02-04  8:03           ` [TUHS] A List for New Systems Influenced by History. (Was: Proper use of TUHS) Ralph Corderoy
2023-02-04 13:56             ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-02-04 17:31               ` [TUHS] Re: A List for New Systems Influenced by History Angel M Alganza
2023-02-03  6:36   ` [TUHS] Re: Proper use of TUHS (was Re: Typesetter C compiler) Lars Brinkhoff
2023-02-04 22:38     ` Tomasz Rola

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