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[Nelson H. F. Beebe]

BibTeX entries for the complete contents of the Bell System Technical
Journal family are in the TeX User Group archives at

	http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/bstj1970.bib

[change 1970 to other decades, and .bib to .html for live hyperlinks].

The PDF URLs for bstj.bell-labs.com no longer work, and the ones for
www.alcatel-lucent.com, such as 

	http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol57-1978/articles/bstj57-6-2155.pdf

now redirect to an HTML page.

Otherwise, articles are available from the Wiley site at

	http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)1538-7305/issues/

but are behind a paywall.  There are also copies in the IEEE eXplore
database at

	http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?reload=true&punumber=6731002

I tried to find the URLs at https://web.archive.org/, but it does
appear to have them.

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[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Nelson,

> I tried to find the URLs at https://web.archive.org/, but it does
> appear to have them.

Is https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives what you're after?

I too find interesting pages have disappeared in later years so visit
archive.org and have them take a copy for me, and everyone else.

-- 
Cheers, Ralph.
https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy

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[Nelson H. F. Beebe]

Ralph Corderoy <ralph at inputplus.co.uk> writes today:

>> Is https://archive.org/details/bstj-archives what you're after?

Thanks for uncovering that!  I'll add links to it shortly in all of
the Bell Labs journal family bibliography files.

I prepared the family's BibTeX bibliographies in December 2010,
according to my revision history logs, and e-mail archives of
exchanges with a Bell Labs researcher.  At that time, I had access to
the full collection of PDFs, but out of concern for local disk space,
and the (now mistaken) belief that they would continue to be available
at Bell Labs/Lucent, I did not mirror them to Utah.

I made the same mistake with the two IBM journals whose archives
disappeared behind the IEEE pay wall.  Sigh...

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P.S. In 1990, we filled a dumpster with 9-track tapes that we had to
abandon because of our move to new hardware that lacked such a drive,
and because our new disk system had insufficent disk space to preserve
their contents.

I have since regretted that decision many times, because a lot of
stuff was lost forever.

The maximum capacity of 6250-bpi 9-track tapes was about 100MB to
170MB.  A thousand such tapes would have needed just 100GB to 170GB,
an amount of space that I can now buy in Utah for about US$4 (based on
a local store offering of $94 for a 4TB USB-3 attached disk about the
size of a paperback thriller).

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[Henry Bent]

On 24 November 2017 at 13:06, Nelson H. F. Beebe <beebe at math.utah.edu>
wrote:

> P.S. In 1990, we filled a dumpster with 9-track tapes that we had to
> abandon because of our move to new hardware that lacked such a drive,
> and because our new disk system had insufficent disk space to preserve
> their contents.
>
> I have since regretted that decision many times, because a lot of
> stuff was lost forever.
>
> The maximum capacity of 6250-bpi 9-track tapes was about 100MB to
> 170MB.  A thousand such tapes would have needed just 100GB to 170GB,
> an amount of space that I can now buy in Utah for about US$4 (based on
> a local store offering of $94 for a 4TB USB-3 attached disk about the
> size of a paperback thriller).
>

Sure, but how much would 170GB of storage have cost in 1990?  And what
would have been the cost to mirror it, or to back it up on to a more modern
tape format?  Was that data really worth tens of thousands of dollars?

-Henry
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[Ron Natalie]

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I remember in 1990 we got our first 1Gig drive, I paid $1000 for it.   ($1/MB).

One of the sales guys I worked with had a unit of storage called the “Costco Terabyte.”    How much one terabyte of storage costs at Costco.

When we started tracking it, it was around $5000.    It was down about $40 last I checked.

 

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On 24 November 2017 at 13:06, Nelson H. F. Beebe <beebe at math.utah.edu> wrote:

P.S. In 1990, we filled a dumpster with 9-track tapes that we had to
abandon because of our move to new hardware that lacked such a drive,
and because our new disk system had insufficent disk space to preserve
their contents.

I have since regretted that decision many times, because a lot of
stuff was lost forever.

The maximum capacity of 6250-bpi 9-track tapes was about 100MB to
170MB.  A thousand such tapes would have needed just 100GB to 170GB,
an amount of space that I can now buy in Utah for about US$4 (based on
a local store offering of $94 for a 4TB USB-3 attached disk about the
size of a paperback thriller).

 

Sure, but how much would 170GB of storage have cost in 1990?  And what would have been the cost to mirror it, or to back it up on to a more modern tape format?  Was that data really worth tens of thousands of dollars?

 

-Henry

 

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[David Arnold]

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The Quantum Lightning 730MB drives were the tipping point for me — likely around 1994/1995?  They were readily available for just under AUD1/MB for the 50-pin narrow SCSI-2 version.  I bought heaps of them, and still have maybe half a dozen spinning today.



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> On 25 Nov 2017, at 07:18, Ron Natalie <ron at ronnatalie.com> wrote:
> 
> I remember in 1990 we got our first 1Gig drive, I paid $1000 for it.   ($1/MB).
> One of the sales guys I worked with had a unit of storage called the “Costco Terabyte.”    How much one terabyte of storage costs at Costco.
> When we started tracking it, it was around $5000.    It was down about $40 last I checked.
>   <>
> From: TUHS [mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On Behalf Of Henry Bent
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:17 PM
> To: Nelson H. F. Beebe
> Cc: TUHS main list
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Spell - was tmac: Move macro diagnostics away from `quotes'
>  
> On 24 November 2017 at 13:06, Nelson H. F. Beebe <beebe at math.utah.edu <mailto:beebe at math.utah.edu>> wrote:
>> P.S. In 1990, we filled a dumpster with 9-track tapes that we had to
>> abandon because of our move to new hardware that lacked such a drive,
>> and because our new disk system had insufficent disk space to preserve
>> their contents.
>> 
>> I have since regretted that decision many times, because a lot of
>> stuff was lost forever.
>> 
>> The maximum capacity of 6250-bpi 9-track tapes was about 100MB to
>> 170MB.  A thousand such tapes would have needed just 100GB to 170GB,
>> an amount of space that I can now buy in Utah for about US$4 (based on
>> a local store offering of $94 for a 4TB USB-3 attached disk about the
>> size of a paperback thriller).
>  
> Sure, but how much would 170GB of storage have cost in 1990?  And what would have been the cost to mirror it, or to back it up on to a more modern tape format?  Was that data really worth tens of thousands of dollars?
>  
> -Henry

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[Steve Simon]

The Disks that stick in my memory where 4Gb scsi drives from IBM, I forget
the model number - this would have been 1996-ish.

They had been lubricated with the wrong viscosity oil. Over time the oil
would flood out over the top platter, though this didn't seem to stop them
working.

However when you powered them down they would not spin up again as the
heads would stick to the platter. They also made a horrific chattering noise
as they tried to start. The IBM service engineer's solution was to thump
them with the but of his screwdriver and they would (usually) spin up!

We swapped them out pretty sharpish after that. We had dozens attached
to a pair of SGI Origins running back-to-back.

Thankfully most disks lived long enough to be copied and those that didn't
proved the worth of the DLT tapes.

-Steve

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[Dave Horsfall]

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017, Ralph Corderoy wrote:

> I too find interesting pages have disappeared in later years so visit 
> archive.org and have them take a copy for me, and everyone else.

And there'll be hell to pay if Dennis' page is ever removed.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

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[Arthur Krewat]

On 11/24/2017 12:01 PM, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> I too find interesting pages have disappeared in later years so visit
> archive.org and have them take a copy for me, and everyone else.
>
Don't rely on outside entities to archive content. Mirror it, and put it 
up yourself.

If anyone needs free hosting, let me know.

art k.