From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6df52849 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 30328A1889; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 07:54:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40715A181F; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 07:54:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2A4BEA181F; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 07:54:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-2.mxes.net (smtp-out-2.mxes.net [67.222.241.249]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 288019EDF1 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 07:54:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mua (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E7C727559; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Ronald Natalie In-Reply-To: <20180626215012.GE8150@mcvoy.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:54:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1f8043fd-e8d6-a5e6-5849-022d1a41f5bf@kilonet.net> <20180626215012.GE8150@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" >=20 > So I agree, had the same initial reaction. But I read the paper a=20 > second time and the point about Fortran, all these years later, still > being a thing resonated. The hardware guys stand on their heads to > give us coherent caches. =20 Fortran is a higher level language. It gives he compiler more = flexibility in deciding what the programmer intended and how to = automatically optimize for the platform. C is often a =E2=80=9CYou asked for it, you got it=E2=80=9D type = paradigm/