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From: pnr@planet.nl (Paul Ruizendaal)
Subject: [TUHS] Source code abundance?
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:55:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BCAA9489-ADD9-4BEC-9146-44D3B8E4829E@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2PkJ_KVOkVPT=QRWq3V0sTQjiYjT=5k9Xx0Mm-85=FXpg@mail.gmail.com>


On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:28 , Clem Cole wrote:

> 1.) UCB Regents Position per AT&T/BSDi/UCB - anything through 32V is public domain (see groklaw)

I think the USL lawyers feared that a jury might side with the Regents' position and therefore preferred to settle. Making the settlement secret was a clever idea and if it wasn't for Linux happening might have succeeded.

Even if the position taken by the USB Regents would not hold up in court, than anything through to and including 32V is still available under the BSD-style license granted by Caldera Inc. (see http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf). It was later established in court that Caldera did not hold copyrights to Unix, but that Novell did at that time. However, Caldera was the licensing agent for Novell and had broad rights to grant licenses (and collect license fees as applicable). Novell had the right to overrule Caldera if it felt such was necessary. It did so when Caldera revoked IBM's license. It did not overrule the "ancient unix" license, even though it was aware of it. Renouncing it 15+ years later probably won't stick.

Caldera (later renamed TSG) went bankrupt around 2011 and I'm not sure where the licensing agency went - perhaps it lapsed. Novell was acquired by Attachmate in 2010, which was acquired by British firm Micro Focus in 2014. Presumably they now hold the copyrights to the Unix source code. If so, perhaps they can be convinced to extend the BSD-style license to later versions, e.g. extend it up to SysV/R4.

Note I'm not a lawyer and just expressing opinion.

Paul





  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-02 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-01 18:01 Arthur Krewat
2017-03-01 18:07 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-01 18:13 ` Henry Bent
2017-03-01 18:27   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-01 19:18     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-01 19:25       ` Henry Bent
2017-03-01 19:29         ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-01 19:32           ` Henry Bent
2017-03-01 19:49           ` Random832
2017-03-01 19:51             ` Warner Losh
2017-03-01 20:18             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-01 20:28           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-01 20:32             ` Warner Losh
2017-03-02 13:55             ` Paul Ruizendaal [this message]
2017-03-02 14:15               ` Jim Capp
2017-03-02  1:22 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-02  6:50   ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-02 13:36     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-04  3:29 ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-04 12:51   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-06 15:33 ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-03-06 15:57   ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 16:20     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-06 22:52       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-07  6:52         ` Angelo Papenhoff
2017-03-07 13:25           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 16:21     ` Dan Cross
2017-03-06 16:45       ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-06 20:50         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-07 15:07           ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-07 15:13             ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-07 15:28               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-07 19:44                 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-06 18:00       ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 18:22         ` Dan Cross
2017-03-06 19:24         ` Nemo
2017-03-06 16:48     ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 15:57   ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 22:29     ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 22:59       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 23:31         ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-06 23:32           ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-06 23:44             ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-06 23:48               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-06 23:53                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-07  0:42             ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-07  0:33           ` Random832
2017-03-07  0:50         ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06 16:19   ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-06 19:06     ` Paul Ruizendaal
2017-03-06 20:32       ` ron minnich
2017-03-06 19:36     ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-06 20:17       ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-06 22:19         ` Warren Toomey
2017-03-03 20:06 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-03 20:28 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-03 23:12   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-03 23:56   ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-04  0:29     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-04  1:01     ` Henry Bent
     [not found]       ` <CAH1jEzZPonQuq_4YJWN=cpaB9J8q2+TU-zRWx+Bg+29SUvfOVQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-04  3:23         ` Nick Downing
2017-03-04 10:04   ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-04 16:28     ` Clem Cole
2017-03-04 16:34       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-05 19:15       ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 19:25         ` Warner Losh
2017-03-05 19:55           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-06  9:35             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-06  0:13         ` Josh Good
2017-03-05 15:44     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-05 18:26       ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 18:55         ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-05 19:10           ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 21:36             ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-05 22:03               ` Mutiny 
2017-03-04 15:39 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-04 16:02 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-04 17:53 ` Jacob Goense
2017-03-04 18:37   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-04 18:38     ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-04 20:39   ` Cory Smelosky
2017-03-04 21:05     ` Jacob Goense
2017-03-05 17:54 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-03-05 18:24   ` Mutiny 
2017-03-08 12:26 Doug McIlroy

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