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From: Earl Baugh <earl.baugh@gmail.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 22:34:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BD6A8B29-C7C5-4413-8B89-6B3B2FC73F8E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210403022359.GN8268@mcvoy.com>

Just FYI - I have a Sun 3/110 that I still fire up.  I’d be interested in the 4.X source ( I believe it still ran on it - I have 3.2 on it now ) to be able to patch a few things to keep it going. 

I’ve not looked for it, as I didn’t think it was readily available. 

Earl 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 10:25 PM, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:50:20PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Larry McVoy wrote:
>>> 
>>> SunOS 4, though I love it more than most people, is ancient history and is
>>> basically under one big lock for SMP.  It was a huge amount of work to get
>>> that code to scale in Solaris (they lifted the VM system and the hat layer
>>> from SunOS 4 to 5 and then went to work).
>> 
>> SunOS 4.1 was the best *ix I have ever used (and I've used lots over the
>> decades); then Slowaris came along and trashed the joint because the suits
>> were in charge instead of the real workers.
> 
> A little known story is that Scooter did the deal with AT&T because Sun
> was in trouble financially.  As I remember AT&T bought $200M of Sun stock
> at 35% over market but the price was we had to dump SunOS and go to SVr4.
> 
> I worked for Ken Okin at the time, senior VP of all server hardware.
> Ken paid me to argue with the execs for 6 months to try and reverse this
> decision so Ken didn't know the details either.
> 
> SunOS 4.x was the bees knees, it was the most well thought out Unix ever.
> I got there around 4.1 or just past 4.0 and I didn't know shit.  They made
> me do POSIX conformance which made me go through every code path.  Nothing,
> nothing, nothing, and one day it was like the fog cleared and I saw what
> they were trying to say.  And it was pretty cool, SunOS 4.x was pretty
> object oriented without all the nonsense, just the good stuff.  SunOS was
> the only Unix that just made sense, I could guess what the kernel would
> do and 90% of the time I guessed right.  I miss it.
> 
> That said, Sun never made that OS SMP.  Real SMP.  Warner says Solbourne
> did, I'd still like to, or get Dock Williams or Anil, to talk to the people
> that made the VM system scale.
> 
> --lm

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-03  2:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-01 14:50 Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:12 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-01 15:27   ` Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:33     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-01 16:14       ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-01 16:26         ` John Cowan
2021-04-01 17:54       ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-04-01 16:27     ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-04-02  2:16     ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02  3:52   ` Wesley Parish
2021-04-02  5:26     ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02 16:03     ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 16:11       ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 16:39       ` Heinz Lycklama
2021-04-02 17:14         ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 17:17       ` [TUHS] AIX repeat [was " Charles H Sauer
2021-04-03  1:24       ` [TUHS] " Wesley Parish
2021-04-04  2:46     ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04  2:50       ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04  5:29         ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) G. Branden Robinson
2021-04-04 18:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 20:54             ` Richard Salz
2021-04-04 21:11             ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  0:36             ` John Cowan
2021-04-05  2:19               ` Warner Losh
2021-04-05 18:07                 ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference John Gilmore
2021-04-05 19:30                   ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 20:34                     ` Richard Salz
2021-04-05 20:42                       ` William Cheswick
2021-04-06  4:37                       ` Ed Bradford
2021-04-05 20:39                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-05 21:11                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 21:17                         ` Dan Cross
2021-04-06 15:39                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-06  5:49                   ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-05  7:48               ` [TUHS] Whither Usenix [was How To Kill A Technical Conference] arnold
2021-04-05 14:05             ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 22:26               ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 23:30           ` A. P. Garcia
2021-04-04  3:41       ` [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM Gregg Levine
2021-04-04  3:57         ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02  5:41 ` David Arnold
2021-04-02  6:09   ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02  7:00     ` arnold
2021-04-02  9:53       ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 10:26         ` arnold
2021-04-02 14:02           ` Josh Good
2021-04-02 14:17             ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 15:16               ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 15:28                 ` Fabio Scotoni
2021-04-03  1:50                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-03  1:55                   ` Warner Losh
2021-04-03  2:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-03  2:34                     ` Earl Baugh [this message]
2021-04-03  6:16                   ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-04 16:18                     ` Tony Finch
2021-04-04  1:48                   ` David Arnold
2021-04-04  2:23                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-04  8:55                       ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 14:43                         ` Michael Parson
2021-04-04 15:36                         ` Warner Losh
2021-04-04 16:15                           ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 22:25                             ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 22:55                               ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  2:30                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:00                               ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-04 23:33                                 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  1:34                                   ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-05  2:58                                     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2021-04-05 12:35                                       ` John Cowan
2021-04-05 20:44                                   ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-04 23:34                               ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 20:08                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 21:00                           ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:40                             ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 21:54                               ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 22:02                                 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:58                               ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 23:48                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:53                               ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-07  5:15                             ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-05 13:37                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-07  1:52                         ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02 15:25               ` Josh Good
2021-04-03  3:10               ` John Cowan
2021-04-02 16:40 ` Boyd Lynn Gerber

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