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[69.109.130.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r17sm7575546qtx.62.2021.04.02.19.34.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Apr 2021 19:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Earl Baugh Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 22:34:52 -0400 Message-Id: References: <20210403022359.GN8268@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20210403022359.GN8268@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D70) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Just FYI - I have a Sun 3/110 that I still fire up. I=E2=80=99d be interest= ed in the 4.X source ( I believe it still ran on it - I have 3.2 on it now )= to be able to patch a few things to keep it going.=20 I=E2=80=99ve not looked for it, as I didn=E2=80=99t think it was readily ava= ilable.=20 Earl=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2021, at 10:25 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:50:20PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: >>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Larry McVoy wrote: >>>=20 >>> SunOS 4, though I love it more than most people, is ancient history and i= s >>> basically under one big lock for SMP. It was a huge amount of work to g= et >>> that code to scale in Solaris (they lifted the VM system and the hat lay= er >>> from SunOS 4 to 5 and then went to work). >>=20 >> SunOS 4.1 was the best *ix I have ever used (and I've used lots over the >> decades); then Slowaris came along and trashed the joint because the suit= s >> were in charge instead of the real workers. >=20 > A little known story is that Scooter did the deal with AT&T because Sun > was in trouble financially. As I remember AT&T bought $200M of Sun stock > at 35% over market but the price was we had to dump SunOS and go to SVr4. >=20 > I worked for Ken Okin at the time, senior VP of all server hardware. > Ken paid me to argue with the execs for 6 months to try and reverse this > decision so Ken didn't know the details either. >=20 > SunOS 4.x was the bees knees, it was the most well thought out Unix ever. > I got there around 4.1 or just past 4.0 and I didn't know shit. They made= > me do POSIX conformance which made me go through every code path. Nothing= , > nothing, nothing, and one day it was like the fog cleared and I saw what > they were trying to say. And it was pretty cool, SunOS 4.x was pretty > object oriented without all the nonsense, just the good stuff. SunOS was > the only Unix that just made sense, I could guess what the kernel would > do and 90% of the time I guessed right. I miss it. >=20 > That said, Sun never made that OS SMP. Real SMP. Warner says Solbourne > did, I'd still like to, or get Dock Williams or Anil, to talk to the peopl= e > that made the VM system scale. >=20 > --lm