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From: Ronald Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com>
To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" <beebe@math.utah.edu>
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 15:01:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BE30EA2F-6E25-4197-92B4-940BF8BBF0AD@ronnatalie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CMM.0.96.0.1530035664.beebe@gamma.math.utah.edu>

I’m not sure I buy his arguments.    First off, he argues that a true low level language requires knowledge of the “irrelevant” and then he goes and argues that with C you need such knowledge on other than a PDP-11.
His arguemnt that whowever he surveyed is ignorant of how C handles padding is equally pointless.     Further, his architecture world seems to be roughly limited to PDP-11’s and Intel x86 chips.

I’ve ported UNIX to a number of machines from the Denelcor HEP MIMD supercomputer to various micros from x86 to i860 etc…  In addition, I’ve ported high performance computer graphics applications to just about every UNIX platform aailable (my app is pretty much an OS into itself) including the x86 of various flavors, MIPS, 68000, Sparc, Stellar, Ardent, Apollo DN1000, HP9000, iTanium, Alpha, PA RISC, i860 (of various configurations), etc…   All done in C.   All done with exacting detail.   Yes, you do have to understand the underlying code being generated, and such is not as bad as he thinks.    In fact, all his arguments argue that C does fit his definition of the low level language.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-26 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-26 17:54 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-26 18:03 ` Cornelius Keck
2018-06-26 21:21   ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-26 21:56   ` Kurt H Maier
2018-06-26 18:52 ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-26 19:01 ` Ronald Natalie [this message]
2018-06-26 21:16   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-26 21:50     ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-26 21:54       ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-26 21:59         ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-26 22:20           ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-26 22:33             ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-26 23:53               ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-27  8:30             ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-26 22:33           ` Andy Kosela
2018-06-27  0:11             ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-27  6:10               ` arnold
2018-06-27  2:18           ` [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectTures Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-27  2:22             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-28 14:36             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-27 11:26         ` [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures Tony Finch
2018-06-27 14:33           ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 14:38             ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 15:30             ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-27 16:55               ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-27  6:27     ` arnold
2018-06-27 16:00 ` Steve Johnson
2018-06-28  4:12   ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-28 14:15     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-28 14:40       ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 14:55         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 14:58           ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 15:39             ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-28 16:02               ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 16:41                 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-28 16:59                   ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-28 17:09                   ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 15:32                     ` tfb
2018-06-29 16:09                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 17:51                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 18:27                         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-29 19:02                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 20:37                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 15:37         ` Clem Cole
2018-06-28 20:37           ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-06-28 14:43       ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 14:56         ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 15:07           ` Warner Losh
2018-06-28 19:42           ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 19:55             ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-28 20:42             ` Warner Losh
2018-06-28 21:03               ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 22:29                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-29  0:18                   ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 15:41                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 18:01                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 19:07                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29  5:58                   ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-28 20:52             ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-06-28 21:07               ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 16:45       ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-28 20:47         ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 15:43         ` emanuel stiebler
2018-06-29  2:02       ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-29 12:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-29 18:41           ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29  1:02 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-29  1:06 Noel Chiappa

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