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[69.109.130.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x9-20020a05620a448900b006a6a904c0a5sm3134681qkp.107.2022.06.16.16.17.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0A6C767E-9116-4F08-A69D-03F2FB3000CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Earl Baugh Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 19:17:06 -0400 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: Rob Pike X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19F77) Message-ID-Hash: DUFF3WG72JQ6PSOSXJSVQAPBQQJ55L6B X-Message-ID-Hash: DUFF3WG72JQ6PSOSXJSVQAPBQQJ55L6B X-MailFrom: earl.baugh@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail-0A6C767E-9116-4F08-A69D-03F2FB3000CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve only cursorily heard of versions past v7.=20 I personally be interested in hearing the history and seeing what changes/im= provements/differences came in those versions.=20 I=E2=80=99ve learned that the Unix history I thought I knew had huge gaping h= oles in it from this list and members. Joe Ossanna=E2=80=99s contributions= , for example, were a complete revelation to me.=20 Earl=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 16, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Rob Pike wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Excited as I was to see this history of Unix code in a single repository: >=20 > https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo >=20 > it continues the long-standing tradition of ignoring all the work done at B= ell Labs after v7. I consider v8 v9 v10 to be worth of attention, even influ= ential, but to hear this list talk about it - or discussions just about anyw= here else - you'd think they never existed. There are exceptions, but this s= ite does reinforce the broadly known version of the story. >=20 > It's doubly ironic for me because people often mistakenly credit me for wo= rking on Unix, but I landed at the Labs after v7 was long dispatched. At the= Labs, I first worked on what became v8. >=20 > I suppose it's because the history flowed as this site shows, with BSD bei= ng the driving force for a number of reasons, but it feels to me that a larg= e piece of Unix history has been sidelined. >=20 > I know it's a whiny lament, but those neglected systems had interesting ad= vances. >=20 > -rob >=20 --Apple-Mail-0A6C767E-9116-4F08-A69D-03F2FB3000CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve only cursorily heard of versio= ns past v7. 
I personally be interested in hearing the history and s= eeing what changes/improvements/differences came in those versions. 

I=E2=80=99ve learned that the Unix history I thought I= knew had huge gaping holes in it from this list and members.   Joe Oss= anna=E2=80=99s contributions, for example, were a complete revelation to me.=  

Earl 

Sent from= my iPhone

On Jun 16, 20= 22, at 7:06 PM, Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Excited as I was to see this history of Unix code in a single repository:
https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo
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it continues the long-standing tradition of ignorin= g all the work done at Bell Labs after v7. I consider v8 v9 v10 to be worth o= f attention, even influential, but to hear this list talk about it - or disc= ussions just about anywhere else - you'd think they never existed. There are= exceptions, but this site does reinforce the broadly known version of the s= tory.

It's doubly ironic for me because people ofte= n mistakenly credit me for working on Unix, but I landed at the Labs after v= 7 was long dispatched. At the Labs, I first worked on what became v8.
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I suppose it's because the history flowed as this site sh= ows, with BSD being the driving force for a number of reasons, but it feels t= o me that a large piece of Unix history has been sidelined.

I know it's a whiny lament, but those neglected systems had interes= ting advances.

-rob

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