From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15586 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2022 04:28:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Dec 2022 04:28:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F5A41BAB; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 14:28:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f179.google.com (mail-pl1-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37B9D41BA8 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 14:28:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f179.google.com with SMTP id m4so7872968pls.4 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:28:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=qchWWUy/zfpyOMZDc2WXGvJ5yRfshJlljbpRYtueFRA=; b=OzZq1k95xgzUwXvHj6kqaTX+DKww3DkwMdNSDVFpWSNFLEoBo7uEODl0U1fE0SjNLN cTZ2spP2+oKJ9EVp+EMN99Y9MWXLzvBZmj6Pxgfv41Oaa3ekCkDxMxy7UKMX4mBQ3qo+ JDmQVxYHwc0uetDy/hZwYtc35IjYIEdJS4dhQ560z9AaRHbVXei+NaJsKTaHtl9uy2kv rZUNIrzJO7G9hMyH9tqFSZQqT8lYQadGe1Wx1mkfRAhE0fNsIfBXWnUoep3BVCGMA8tg 3zleNC3qoX1bqF4hnHD3P9FoCMk+zbNUnZKYVsKli7z71y/4crffgkr7RdX8LU51Dcfl K+aA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qchWWUy/zfpyOMZDc2WXGvJ5yRfshJlljbpRYtueFRA=; b=4NierkeFmwd1vatoNu5fVQ25AvG3oQhwjoJeC/gp2I0Hm9Cw135rA3ZruuXJgw9EMj MUBqntstrievalMe0CdG2SCyGr7qtU2WE8hdADN2HAbKNGaoXDswRA1DRxCNpT8ru89J KpvKzzWEfzxwwB+NBqXHnAJ6wcQq94q7yJ/Io/Yo/ASW7Rp8HUFBsl+Eezk00dqCxBbI n2ascVE1rQvlPM31Uw6l/UDN+E6OuldrFClQjeBJUHnh+koGvc7RSIE0SKLdAhQ9cTL0 D4CngsCKArfwB8+LH3IPLzlrNUO1JnVwnn2GCWfjlvi1IyJGDEr3hlT6OfgPuBCpyM7H 0RKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kq3cDT+VgwrBvhOUAr9D5bmNdkGRs3kGeK9qGsThxY0eMFNHoFQ FTECmVGs+mIvdmreOLdn/BdvWYcyOis= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsz9KWT1GM7CVgFHk5c6c17tO8fNY6s9mByQ6AL62Itb65meRtG2d6s2N8sx51TJomgqYdv2w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:704a:b0:191:7d3:7fdd with SMTP id h10-20020a170902704a00b0019107d37fddmr7455590plt.60.1671424025081; Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (ip98-165-124-124.ph.ph.cox.net. [98.165.124.124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i4-20020a17090332c400b0018913417ba2sm5882454plr.130.2022.12.18.20.27.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Thornton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.300.101.1.3\)) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 21:26:52 -0700 References: To: TUHS main list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.300.101.1.3) Message-ID-Hash: OTV4HI7MFC2ZRDED2GUJKMW7RLUWBZGW X-Message-ID-Hash: OTV4HI7MFC2ZRDED2GUJKMW7RLUWBZGW X-MailFrom: athornton@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: origin of null-terminated strings List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Tom Lyon wrote: >=20 > Clem doesn't mention CP-67/CMS, which IBM kept trying to kill in favor = of CMS. > =46rom Melinda Varian's amazing history of VM, I gleaned these = factoids: > CP-67 - 8 sites by May '68 > Feb of 68 - IBM decommits from TSS > Apr 69 - IBM rescinds decommit of TSS > CP-67 - 44 sites by 1970, ~10 internal to IBM > May 71 - TSS finally decommitted >=20 > So TSS was a rocky road, while CP&VM were simple and just worked. >=20 Ask the Varians! Lee was a TSS heavy-hitter, and Melinda was...well, = Melinda; "What Mother Never Told You" is still the best document about = system maintenance ever written. At least as of last year they were both still alive and well. Adam