From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10068 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2023 15:51:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Jan 2023 15:51:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D6C4250F; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 01:51:41 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1674229901; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=OK6Tt+KF1lrEfrs1y1GQyslb9XNAOxa/3ojwntgot10=; b=1xF9J34RUz3a2ToAKNEVYZU0PgU12qEn8EmARY3qMsA4fR+AQ9nDR15X37nh0JhR+neeAT /j9uyNP2VaUcY01FYOwbIdiaQ2nv2QdrzQQOWQVHM3QShPI4lPdEgbUwW9izIdGHupY1tG 8WZG0/ZiDSehcEGhf8pGYe9LYKbN37M= Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch (mail-4324.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2D72423E0 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 01:51:36 +1000 (AEST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 15:51:29 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1674229894; x=1674489094; bh=OK6Tt+KF1lrEfrs1y1GQyslb9XNAOxa/3ojwntgot10=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=KtcpvzEVo1hCyPT9C7CiEWOp/jpZu0K7h7F8h7Bpa7EoaWMC1cSv6SfhGQd90/VqR 10wQ1pw0+iDITkPTHgVCDf1VLWKignDX6+FaTBTrDQIzZ+AHop8mi4EQsxyOq+OU1W LnUEwJOHjd6t3V9zfIjz9RUOGZPgkJAPenLfYqlR/GjIc0HWb9y3mUk/h27yvZkF6K IuW8wBkqAb0YuZpqrUvU0zxs/pRN6P3/pDE6NUdi9gZJduCTklwOnPeiPPyFlAlJgF wDbvRTZWbV1jAtXzcAhyTYjbSEID76JphyEbOtJsCAkFfyXHkfVfe0y64Fj2ZpiG6o 3zidBIhx60ryQ== To: Liam Proven Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> <0882D9CA-FAC8-4EC6-BA82-CE1D457423E5@iitbombay.org> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: DUWO4QTOSUIIR4X2G72WFG3YVNZWSS3T X-Message-ID-Hash: DUWO4QTOSUIIR4X2G72WFG3YVNZWSS3T X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The death of general purpose computers, was - AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco To be completely honest, I'm considering just building myself a mobile usin= g a single board computer with a small external display. I've got one with= =20 a connector for cell touch displays right on the board. Couple that with a= USB-C power source and I've got my own mobile smart device. Would be a li= ttle bulkier than say a traditional smart phone, and wouldn't have a phone = number, but I don't care about either of those, I want the pocket computer = part, not the banal communication people won't just have in person part. - Matt G. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, January 20th, 2023 at 5:30 AM, Liam Proven w= rote: > On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 21:10, segaloco via TUHS tuhs@tuhs.org wrote: >=20 > > The idea that I can fully pay for and own a device and yet generally ha= ve to exploit some sort of security loophole or backdoor developer feature = to actually use the device fully is completely asinine to me. >=20 >=20 > I recently reviewed a Murena 1 that might tick some of your boxes: >=20 > https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/02/murena_e_foundation_phone_test/ >=20 > De-Googled Android, sends nothing back to anyone, but can run off the > shelf Android apps. >=20 > If even that is too much, then there are other options. I am > considering buying a 2nd Planet Computers Gemini in order to run Jolla > Sailfish on it. >=20 > I would also rather like some used Google Pixel or something that I > could put Ubuntu Touch on. Work continues even though Canonical > cancelled it 5 or 6 years ago, and it's getting there. I've seen in > the flesh demos at the Ubuntu Summit here in Prague last November, > including one version of UT running a newer version inside a VM, on a > JingPad tablet. >=20 > Or PostmarketOS if you prefer a more DIY experience, perhaps on a > FairPhone or a PinePhone. >=20 > -- > Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com > Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven > UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-82= 9-053