From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3525 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2021 15:17:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 17 Feb 2021 15:17:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9A32C9CA6C; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:17:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5F59B966; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:16:47 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=humeweb.com header.i=@humeweb.com header.b="guAOw2VJ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 63A8F9B966; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:16:42 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 1420 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:16:40 AEST Received: from gateway2.unifiedlayer.com (gateway2.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E379A9B95A for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:16:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from cm4.websitewelcome.com (unknown [108.167.139.16]) by gateway2.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5C92008B77B for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:52:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from dallas136.arvixeshared.com ([23.91.70.4]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id COCIlHoIS89aTCOCIl9adH; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:52:59 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=humeweb.com ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=YuaJfn7C2HYAqjQCDv0WZJCpQ0WGfNcXwVvCaKincOU=; b=guAOw2VJXyozLk08nZc+tNWkQ6 mdBpEEANiYrkg2nRyshGOowyWaiE2O/t5YORsnpzJ6YgswnXqgwUKP32vYnv5LpT/YuoBdMz9veBK E9XNc0NnpUJSQsGMWWDsTsoIgl8Iqf8ZJszYmVpXQwfKLRRc4YZQkFLPi56VU2aDdqtg=; Received: from 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([99.98.248.85]:57370 helo=[192.168.2.77]) by dallas136.arvixeshared.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1lCOCI-003U25-LG; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:52:58 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Andrew Hume In-Reply-To: <21803.1613556854@hop.toad.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 06:52:57 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <26484818-2f05-37d3-adff-6e34d383e117@gmail.com> <399f2cdc-d790-c4fe-18e3-0cb6b4c76554@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <55d60220-c22d-c99f-f40c-68a741183213@gmail.com> <21803.1613556854@hop.toad.com> To: John Gilmore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dallas136.arvixeshared.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - minnie.tuhs.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - humeweb.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 99.98.248.85 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1lCOCI-003U25-LG X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 99-98-248-85.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([192.168.2.77]) [99.98.248.85]:57370 X-Source-Auth: andrew@humeweb.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YWh1bWU7YWh1bWU7ZGFsbGFzMTM2LmFydml4ZXNoYXJlZC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes Subject: Re: [TUHS] cut, paste, join, etc. X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" daytona was always a separate commercial product. it was an extremely large, very efficient database. you should think of it as analogous to a large postgres system. rick greer was the primary author; an overview paper is http://www09.sigmod.org/sigmod/sigmod99/eproceedings/papers/greer.pdf for many years, probably now as well, it was the main way that at&t stored per-call information. as of the mid 2000s, it had over 2 trillion calls in it. > On Feb 17, 2021, at 2:14 AM, John Gilmore wrote: > > Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: >> I don't know where the line is to transition from stock text files and >> an actual DB. I naively suspect that by the time you need an index, you >> should have transitioned to a DB. > > Didn't AT&T Research at some point write a database, called Daytona, > that worked like ordinary Unix commands? E.g. it just sat there in disk > files when you weren't using it. There was no "database server". When > you wanted to do some operation on it, you ran a command, which read the > database and did what you wanted and wrote out results and stopped and > returned to the shell prompt. How novel! > > Supposedly it had high performance on large collections of data, > with millions or billions of records. Things like telephone billing > data. > > I found a couple of conference papers about it, but never saw specs for > it, not even man pages. How did Daytona fit into Unix history? Was > it ever part of a Unix release? > > John >