From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0e57d95a for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 75E3D9BDE2; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:49:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D892E94791; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:48:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 44ADA94791; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:48:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-3.mxes.net (smtp-out-3.mxes.net [198.205.123.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC9319478F for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:48:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6617C27397 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronald Natalie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:48:34 -0400 References: <20190913221345.GA16129@minnie.tuhs.org> <20190914020240.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> <2e84c4d0-5239-b223-856d-00aacf8d3028@andrewnesbit.org> <201909150654.x8F6sChG021185@freefriends.org> <201909160552.x8G5qBYK025195@freefriends.org> <20190916145122.GH2046@mcvoy.com> To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Sep 16, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Richard Salz = wrote: >=20 > Is it any surprise that the early GNU effort was really trying to = recreate ITS? Can you really blame them? I'm grateful that they made = `info` be a standalone program. Putting the concept of "cursor = position" into the existing pagers (more/less/etc) and doing = jump/xref/back would be more than a stretch, IMO. >=20 Having been an early UNIX Emacs adoptee (I never really learned VI, if = there was no emacs, I just used ed. A tendency that my employees = always found amusing), I could never tolerate INFO in any of its forms = (either ITS or on UNIX). It was far too cumbersome for the features it claimed to add to the mix. As for formatters, my biggest gripe with many of them is that I should = not be able to tell what the formatter is by looking at the output. = This is where Tex fails. It=E2=80=99s ugly style always seems to = telegraph through. The only thing that is worse is those odd little = bumps on the top of pic-framed tbl output. =20=