From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 68bffa55 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D84B3A19E8; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:40:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3D59EC27; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:39:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 22381A19D4; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:39:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-2.mxes.net (smtp-out-2.mxes.net [67.222.241.249]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A5BEA19D3 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:39:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mua (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E1102754B; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Ronald Natalie In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:39:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Johnny Billquist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] core X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:58 AM, Johnny Billquist = wrote: >=20 > On 2018-06-18 04:00, Ronald Natalie wrote: >>> Well, it is an easy observable fact that before the PDP-11/70, all = PDP-11 models had their memory on the Unibus. So it was not only "an = ability at the lower end", b >> That=E2=80=99s not quite true. While the 18 bit addressed machines = all had their memory directly accessible from the Unibus, the 45/50/55 = had a separate bus for the (then new) semiconductor (bipolar or MOS) = memory. >=20 > Eh... Yes... But... > The "separate" bus for the semiconductor memory is just a second = Unibus, so the statement is still true. All (earlier) PDP-11 models had = their memory on the Unibus. Including the 11/45,50,55. > It's just that those models have two Unibuses. No, you are confusing different things I think. The fastbus (where the = memory was) is a distinct bus. The fastbus was dual ported with the = CPU in one port and a second UNIBUS could be connected to the other = port.