From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27401 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2023 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Mar 2023 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E22413AD; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:12:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E62C4124F for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:12:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886045C0108; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:12:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=serissa.com; h= cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t= 1678471963; x=1678558363; bh=R2xKPw1FQ8VpmoAYSACv6g2f5X/ay7ri/3T 8zLuzOnE=; b=n2N/6ryxiVebbhdo+yknLEQCnudFM0DNQXHdYO5I0jA5EyiSqps 1BdJEWnKPjYyYOMoRJwZ/25zz4oQxLxzO1seTGFFryrsokAOoLMBjRApeYvyvSrg a+m/eAo44hwYx0ngnoPV95NtWMTJJBi0r+6oZYFiBsP3+2sGhV4/5csdVXV0Ynwb gtOlQ6IH16YhQVLpA+Z4KQCyico4WPWPhc52NND+JjSib/LOzu9Hbc1dIx/0TcwW clw5q8YgnFMe9AY7RFBmt7AqTd/dRKMIX+1eX64/RpwE+suV9Ub9q3NVgwExM8dF y2wMW2G8xMRh4+e69j6q680Qs5C80XUsTUw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t= 1678471963; x=1678558363; bh=R2xKPw1FQ8VpmoAYSACv6g2f5X/ay7ri/3T 8zLuzOnE=; b=SfhDn37nax+rz9z/qL4Ddj2vyrm6qjEUuwV3MvdkREZyRIPyZlx zPVfCRPaB1Eeee1Z+vm0h6OXtcuBc3b0I8XAZN4Cxp0ZUgpJpM9BJEnIUXsH821O /4okwJUU3IDsZBR9uCe2Q+ce9ltK4VmQHBLeDcg86crKnjNj5SpypK0RqE8kxqWp PzKAMVM96R3ncqbY9Og2+HZiJMM3FydOZdESjX0j+LuehTt/MDZS+EFyYaeEFWwS ZqesIT/cbddZSyX8+OasvE3IdXpFd/fQbn6r6YkWW9vO83QhhTZfPgQIuDhgL5nM R+COrfy6c5K5ts+m5xBW5mUW7mET8e0MCAg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrvddukedguddtkecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjffevgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtjeenucfhrhhomhepnfgr fihrvghntggvucfuthgvfigrrhhtuceoshhtvgifrghrthesshgvrhhishhsrgdrtghomh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepleevtdffledukefgvedutdeliefhteegffetvefgjeeh keefheeiudfgvdffiefgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomhepshhtvgifrghrthesshgvrhhishhsrgdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ibf61458d:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:12:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) From: Lawrence Stewart In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:12:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20230310115145.7F23118C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <202303101630.32AGU2OD008070@ultimate.com> <20230310175006.f6IMv%steffen@sdaoden.eu> To: Paul Winalski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) Message-ID-Hash: HFZ454IUX6YT6XR6N77PI5OEFM75N74A X-Message-ID-Hash: HFZ454IUX6YT6XR6N77PI5OEFM75N74A X-MailFrom: stewart@serissa.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On Mar 10, 2023, at 12:57 PM, Paul Winalski = wrote: >=20 >> Phil Budne wrote in >> <202303101630.32AGU2OD008070@ultimate.com>: >> |ron@ronnatalie.com wrote: >> | >> |I still remember the days when you could find C code written by = PASCAL >> |programmers,[.] >=20 > Someone once observed that a skilled FORTRAN programmer could write > FORTRAN in any programming language. >=20 > -Paul W. Once taught a programming languages class at Stanford, with assignments = in Pascal, APL, LISP, and SNOBOL. The SNOBOL was to solve a crossword = by pattern matching, given the grid and the solution words. One kid had by far the fastest solution, in SNOBOL, but if you held up = the listing at arm=E2=80=99s length you would swear it was FORTRAN. I write my FORTRAN code in C these days. -L