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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a138sm12309422qkg.29.2021.04.04.16.00.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 04 Apr 2021 16:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bakul Shah Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D4993602-00DC-4DBD-AEF6-68BB532C02ED" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 16:00:21 -0700 References: <584DED5A-1226-4AF7-A191-C34CAFA53686@pobox.com> <20210404022356.GR28660@mcvoy.com> <20210404085520.GA6494@naleco.com> To: TUHS main list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_D4993602-00DC-4DBD-AEF6-68BB532C02ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Apr 4, 2021, at 3:25 PM, David Arnold wrote: >=20 >> For us UNIX historians, we need to be careful and learn from our own = history here -- the Cell Phone/Mobile target is the engine for the next = Christenian style disruption. It is by far the #1 target for people = writing new programs (which I find a little sad personally - but I = understand and accept -- time has marched on). In the end, a small = mobile target will be the tech on top, and available will be driven by = market behavior and those suppliers will be "who has the gold.=E2=80=9D >=20 > I feel I should point out that both the dominant mobile operating = systems are Unix-hased. The UI is necessarily new, but astonishingly = the 50 year old basic abstractions are the same. Except Unix is kind of hard to see. It wasn't just the hierarchical file = system but the idea of composability. Even now we whip up a shell = "one-liners" to perform some task we just thought of. All that is lost. = And not just on mobile devices. For example search through email = messages for something in an email "app". And no UI composability. We = have to use extremely heavyweight IDEs such as X-Code weighing at 15GB = (even "du -s /Application/X-code" takes tens of seconds!) to = painstakingly construct a UI. We can't just whip up a dashboard to = measure & display some realtime changing process/entity. There may be = equally heavyweight third party tools but there has been no Bell Labs = like research crew to distill it down to the essence of composable UI = and ship it with every copy. The idea that users too can learn to = "program" if given the right tools.=20= --Apple-Mail=_D4993602-00DC-4DBD-AEF6-68BB532C02ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Apr 4, 2021, at 3:25 PM, David Arnold <davida@pobox.com> = wrote:

 For us UNIX historians, we need to be careful and learn from our = own history here -- the Cell Phone/Mobile target is the engine for the = next Christenian style disruption.  It is by far the #1 target = for people writing new programs (which I find a little sad personally - = but I understand and accept -- time has marched on).  In the end, a = small mobile target will be the tech on top, and available will be = driven by market behavior and those suppliers will be "who has the = gold.=E2=80=9D

I feel I should point out that both the = dominant mobile operating systems are Unix-hased.  The UI is = necessarily new, but astonishingly the 50 year old basic abstractions = are the same.

Except Unix is kind of hard to see. It wasn't just the = hierarchical file system but the idea of composability. Even now we whip = up a shell "one-liners" to perform some task we just thought of. All = that is lost. And not just on mobile devices. For example search through = email messages for something in an email "app". And no UI composability. = We have to use extremely heavyweight IDEs such as X-Code weighing at = 15GB (even "du -s /Application/X-code" takes tens of seconds!) to = painstakingly construct a UI. We can't just whip up a dashboard to = measure & display some realtime changing process/entity. There may = be equally heavyweight third party tools but there has been no Bell Labs = like research crew to distill it down to the essence of composable UI = and ship it with every copy. The idea that users too can learn to = "program" if given the right tools. 
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