From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b5dc0f24 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 89D269B9BC; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:39:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D63E9491B; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:39:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 63B6E9491B; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:39:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from bagheera.alchemistowl.org (bagheera.alchemistowl.org [185.15.93.23]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4B3E94803 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:39:11 +1000 (AEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bagheera.alchemistowl.org Received: from dynamic.wline.6rd.res.cust.swisscom.ch (dynamic.wline.6rd.res.cust.swisscom.ch [IPv6:2a02:1205:c69f:7510:59c9:c55d:6820:2de5] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by bagheera.alchemistowl.org (8.16.0.29/8.16.0.29) with ESMTPSA id x6HDcrvR047706 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:38:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Arrigo Triulzi In-Reply-To: <8C00FE44-2735-4B5C-ABE8-EAB0985C6432@opencsw.org> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:38:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8235a090-c48a-4587-8974-23305233bc33@PU1APC01FT026.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <3CFC8159-08DD-4647-8CEF-FE8D196AB3C9@ccc.com> <610F6FCB-F24D-4788-953A-83E0E6456622@ccc.com> <017d16e0-3a7d-b3e7-29b8-8a454d78463f@e-bbes.com> <201907170810.x6H8AELx031974@freefriends.org> <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> <8C00FE44-2735-4B5C-ABE8-EAB0985C6432@opencsw.org> To: Dagobert Michelsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old 386 Unix Versions, was: Re: PCC for the i386 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 17 Jul 2019, at 14:50, Dagobert Michelsen wrote: > Am 17.07.2019 um 14:32 schrieb Ben Greenfield via TUHS = : >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 5:28 AM, Arrigo Triulzi = wrote: >>> Does anyone have documentation or history for European efforts in = the Unix-like operating systems? For example there was Bull=E2=80=99s = Chorus which I seem to recall was based on Mach or a competing = microkernel (it was a very long time ago and I used it for no mare than = about two hours..). >>=20 >> I know that it didn=E2=80=99t run Unix but I believe Nixdorf Computer = was the large computer company at that time. >=20 > There was also Sinix from Siemens that was derived from Reliant Unix: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SINIX > = https://web.archive.org/web/20120324121229/http://maben.homeip.net/static/= S100/siemens/rmunix >=20 > Unfortunately I didn=E2=80=99t have had much exposure to it and = don=E2=80=99t own any install media or such :-/ Yes, indeed there were many, in Germany, France, Spain, Italy, etc. but, = unlike the USA, there is nobody apparently trying to keep it all = together. Is the Deutsche Museum in Munich doing something about German IT history = like the Computer History Museum in California? In the UK there=E2=80=99s the Historical Computing group within the BCS = who publish a frequent newsletter with their work, they have exhibits at = Bletchley Park and they took it upon them to write the histories of the = Lyons, ICL, AMT, Inmos, etc. I was recently trying to find something about Olivetti=E2=80=99s Unix: = Olivetti re-branded the AT&T 3B2 and AT&T re-branded their beautiful M24 = on which I briefly used Xenix for the 8086 (I *think* it was branded = Xenix) but it was just a US UNIX version which spoke English. Arrigo