From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 17510 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2020 17:50:01 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 18 Apr 2020 17:50:01 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 78FEE9C84C; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:50:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D77C9449E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:49:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0BB949449E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:49:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f53.google.com (mail-wr1-f53.google.com [209.85.221.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE3DA94497 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:49:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f53.google.com with SMTP id k1so6834361wrx.4 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=PvxL/Tr40I0BqIH/rhrIWIJNIyxzDPFpXtPgCLS7l5g=; b=kiWutAGVib0/yY1Hrj//WFtc04ZZkQ4r18qwkImDr2zOmkF4NeCYP+kNsSZyRaKusv DtvzPE6KBarpZRyY6XAHwYsRV7fBoNdMrk5yUHDTaHSOLvn+NDCe4R6k8sKZ1HLR6DLi ttJnILBV+MFkIna3NAZkkWjYGKI9VLeUjp405FXdo93OCKYy5ji40oFs/qWV0LzzrS9Z LBCLgar1wrUmcDm84k73HGkq9bSgZO8EzLUrCslqiDyrkZ9rc5A89bfKwuj0OiVOu4Tq 9ZI7HLQukvfaSFRfF5U5PJcS/kXcPzeeLJ/dmWGFaYWtnEx/sOnscj3wZ0tcySg7acHO /Hdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZz3mpig38YBxj10l2s95CpSOmnKjqOCACOTTUxwGW83X7IF8G2 BxK1rsqGWSrQX9AaIxJLw1mS2raCwTXQkn3lBheuil5xUxk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKrvbX+3/0Q5fES3ptwUvQbvIfTdIV9y+UCvHLmtKrxFRQooTmyC6ZfkeQqfXkfOIvUfglWEc1rh2E+koYr0Xg= X-Received: by 2002:adf:aa92:: with SMTP id h18mr7954825wrc.20.1587232180271; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:49:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200418172018.AE33F2CF6BF9@macaroni.inf.ed.ac.uk> <20200418172337.GA22829@vagabond> In-Reply-To: From: Royce Williams Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:49:04 -0800 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000047fd7505a3944a83" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Plan 9 from outer space ? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000047fd7505a3944a83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 9:45 AM Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:24 AM Pierre DAVID wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 06:20:18PM +0100, Richard Tobin wrote: >> >> There is a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes from the >> >> movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space". >> > >> >Given that the full name is "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" I don't think >> >there's much doubt about it. >> > >> >> Yes, but is there anything besides the name? >> > > Plan 9 is the worst movie ever. And was for many years listed as the worst > movie ever, including the formative years of plan 9. > > A professor(?) at CU once told me, though I don't know if I buy it, that > plan 9 was Unix Plan B at first. There was a description that it was the > worst system ever (except for all the others) in a knod to Churchill > (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy). And from there it was a > quick jump to Plan 9 from Bell Labs as all these themes flowed together in > a mish-mash of creative naming... With a different name, it could break > with Unix in interesting ways... > > I have no clue if this is true, and I'm no longer in contact with the > professor that told me this since it was mid to late 90s, and I'm honestly > having trouble recalling his name. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but I > think it was someone at CU I had a beer with (which means it could have > been a grad student to post-doc as well, it was 25 years ago and beer was > involved). It makes a great story, but I don't know if it's anything more > than that. I put it out there because I know Rob or Ken is likely to > correct something that's this detailed and specific if it's really wrong :) > See also: http://9p.io/wiki/plan9/lfaq/index.html#GENERAL_INFORMATION Royce --00000000000047fd7505a3944a83 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Apr= 18, 2020 at 9:45 AM Warner Losh <imp@= bsdimp.com> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:24 AM Pierre DAVID <pdagog@gmail.com> w= rote:
On Sat, Ap= r 18, 2020 at 06:20:18PM +0100, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> There is a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes f= rom the
>> movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space".
>
>Given that the full name is "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" I don'= ;t think
>there's much doubt about it.
>

Yes, but is there anything besides the name?

Plan 9 is the worst movie ever. And was for many years listed as the = worst movie ever, including the formative years of plan 9.

A professor(?) at CU once told me, though I don't know if I bu= y it, that plan 9 was Unix Plan B at first. There was a description that it= was the worst system ever (except for all the others) in a knod to Churchi= ll (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy). And from there it was= a quick jump to Plan 9 from Bell Labs as all these themes flowed together = in a mish-mash of creative naming...=C2=A0 With a different name, it could = break with Unix in interesting ways...

I have no c= lue if this is true, and I'm no longer in contact with the professor th= at told me this since it was mid to late 90s, and I'm honestly having t= rouble recalling his name. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but= I think it was someone at CU I had a beer with (which means it could have = been a grad student to post-doc=C2=A0as well, it was 25 years ago and beer = was involved). It makes a great story, but I don't know if it's any= thing more than that. I put it out there because I know Rob or Ken is likel= y to correct something that's this detailed and specific if it's re= ally wrong :)

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