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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ------=_Part_9788_33377236.1610630513671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more respect for ACM :-) Cheers, Jim From: "Royce Williams" To: "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 6:41:47 PM Subject: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow: https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371 (It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) ) -- Royce ------=_Part_9788_33377236.1610630513671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'= >

Ken,

Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fell= ow! It gives me a little more respect for ACM :-)

Cheers,

Jim

From: "Royce Williams" <royce@techsolvency.com>
= To: "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Sen= t: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 6:41:47 PM
Subject: [TUHS] ACM= Fellow, Ken Thompson

Congratulations to Ken T= hompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow:

https://= awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371

(It se= emed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )

Royce

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Congratulations, Ken! Well deserved.

Best regards,

Niklas

Den tors 14 jan. 2021 kl 0= 0:43 skrev Royce Williams <roy= ce@techsolvency.com>:

Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the new= ly-minted ACM Fellow:

https://awards.acm.org/a= ward_winners/thompson_4588371

(It seemed of historic= al interest, and therefore on-topic. :) )

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But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Jim Capp wrote in <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>: ... |Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \ |respect for ACM :-) Wonderful. 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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Jim Capp wrote in > <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>: > ... > |Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \ > |respect for ACM :-) > > Wonderful. Laughter. > > --steffen > | > |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |(By Robert Gernhardt) > --000000000000f9aecd05b8e2edeb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

thank you.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM S= teffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.e= u> wrote:

Jim Capp wrote in
=C2=A0<8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>:
=C2=A0...
=C2=A0|Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more= \
=C2=A0|respect for ACM :-)

Wonderful.=C2=A0 Laughter.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The= moon bear,
|der holt sich munter=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0he cheerfully= and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter=C2=A0 wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2= 021 at 12:00 AM Dave Horsfall <dave= @horsfall.org> wrote:

=C2=A0

Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; = it is well-deserved.
Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; their=
foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed.

Whose foray?=C2=A0 Not DEC's.=C2=A0 Eunice was built= at SRI and sold by the Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian con= nections.=C2=A0 I was always very happy with it, as I am with Cygwin today.= =C2=A0 Ultrix, on the other hand, was DEC's: a BSD with SysV hacks, as = opposed to Solaris which was the other way around.

The Dilbert strip probably expla= ins why everyone who could, wore beards in those days.=C2=A0 Just to preven= t that mistake.

John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Being underst= andable rather than obscurantist poses certain
risks, in that one's = opinions are clear and therefore falsifiable
in the light of new data, b= ut it has the advantage of encouraging
feedback from others. =C2=A0--Jam= es A. Matisoff

--00000000000088909805b8e3b1e8-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29182 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2021 22:35:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jan 2021 22:35:40 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B744A9C73F; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:35:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167CE9C646; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:35:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5EFAE9C63D; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:35:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta09p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta09p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.9]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3622C9C61F for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:35:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep09p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20210114223505.HLFQ6862.nsstlfep09p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 09:35:05 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrtddtgddufeejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucegtddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehttddttddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnheplefgfeeftddvvddttddtvedtvefgvdehkeehgeekfeegveetgeevudehgfdvhfeunecuffhomhgrihhnpeguihhlsggvrhhtrdgtohhmnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgqe X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.420) id 5FE6CD41063A84CB for tuhs@tuhs.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 09:35:04 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10EMZ3DO094771 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 09:35:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 10EMZ2AG094768 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 09:35:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 09:35:02 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Robert Brockway wrote: > I'm sure it's been seen before but I think it's timely... > > https://dilbert.com/strip/1993-11-09 Oh dear... > And congratulations Ken. If only everyone knew how Unix has changed the > world... Indeed! -- Dave From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32041 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2021 22:57:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jan 2021 22:57:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 04A8E9C770; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:57:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9CB9C63D; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:57:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 075889C63D; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:57:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 392E39C61F for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:57:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by sdaoden.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 06BE21605A; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 23:57:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 23:57:24 +0100 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Ken Thompson Message-ID: <20210114225724.WycQC%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: References: <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> <20210114151927.wgPhi%steffen@sdaoden.eu> Mail-Followup-To: Ken Thompson , Jim Capp , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.20-129-g135a4de8 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Ken Thompson wrote in : |On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:20 AM Steffen Nurpmeso \ |wrote: |> Jim Capp wrote in |> <8225455.9789.1610630513672.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil>: |> ... |>|Congratulations on becoming an ACM Fellow! It gives me a little more \ |>|respect for ACM :-) |> |> Wonderful. Laughter. |thank you. 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In my view this award is long overdue. Go well and stay well. Ed On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM Royce Williams wrote: > Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted ACM Fellow: > > https://awards.acm.org/award_winners/thompson_4588371 > > (It seemed of historical interest, and therefore on-topic. :) ) > > -- > Royce > -- Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. Cicero --00000000000091dc5805b8e8c876 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congratulations Ken Thompson. 127 was an inspiration to all us=

old time BTL folks. In my view this award is long overdue.

Go well= and stay well.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM Royc= e Williams <royce@techsolvency= .com> wrote:

Congratulations to Ken Thompson, the newly-minted= ACM Fellow:

https://awards.acm.org/award_winn= ers/thompson_4588371

(It seemed of historical intere= st, and therefore on-topic. :) )

--=C2=A0
Royce

Advice is judged by results, not by in= tentions.

=C2=A0 Cicero

--00000000000091dc5805b8e8c876-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27209 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2021 20:14:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 15 Jan 2021 20:14:48 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C3DC19C677; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:14:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F8893FAE; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:14:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B14FB93FAE; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:14:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from nsstlmta18p.bpe.bigpond.com (nsstlmta18p.bpe.bigpond.com [203.38.21.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82DE393DAF for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:14:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep18p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20210115201405.GKLB10815.nsstlfep18p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 07:14:05 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrtddvgdduuddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuuffpveftpgfvgffnuffvtfetpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucegtddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffujgfkfhgfgggtsehmtddtredtreejnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhorhhsfhgrlhhluceouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhephfeifeegjeehjedttedvkeekkeefffehkedtgefggeejgfeugeefleelgeegiedunecuffhomhgrihhnpeifihhkihhpvgguihgrrdhorhhgnecukfhppeduuddtrddugedurdduleefrddvfeefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghnvghurhhinhdrhhhorhhsfhgrlhhlrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddutddrudeguddrudelfedrvdeffedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeouggrvhgvsehhohhrshhfrghllhdrohhrghequceuqfffjgepkeeukffvoffkoffgpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgqe X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (110.141.193.233) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.420) id 5FE6CD14066E8269 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 07:14:05 +1100 Received: from aneurin.horsfall.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10FKE28c000555 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 07:14:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by aneurin.horsfall.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 10FKE1eC000552 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 07:14:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave@horsfall.org) X-Authentication-Warning: aneurin.horsfall.org: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 07:14:01 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.horsfall.org/gpgkey.pub X-GPG-Fingerprint: 05B4 FFBC 0218 B438 66E0 587B EF46 7357 EF5E F58B X-Home-Page: http://www.horsfall.org/ X-Witty-Saying: "chmod 666 the_mode_of_the_beast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1483753691-1374712200-1610741642=:95135" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1483753691-1374712200-1610741642=:95135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, John Cowan wrote: > > Congratubloodylations, as we say down-under; it is well-deserved. > > > > Without Unix I'd probably still be supporting RSX-11 and VMS etc; > > their foray into Unix (Eunice) was doomed. > > Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. I was > always very happy with it, as I am with Cygwin today. Ultrix, on the > other hand, was DEC's: a BSD with SysV hacks, as opposed to Solaris > which was the other way around. I have alternative facts :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_(software) ``Eunice was a Unix-like working environment for VAX computers running DEC's VAX/VMS, based on the BSD version of Unix. It was originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'' > The Dilbert strip probably explains why everyone who could, wore beards > in those days. Just to prevent that mistake. 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Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the > > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. > > It was > originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later > maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'' > Where's the disagreement? --0000000000008558d605b8f7bea3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jan 15, 2= 021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@= horsfall.org> wrote:

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In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:29:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: John Cowan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000602aa905b8fb4413" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000602aa905b8fb4413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > > >> > Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the >> > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. >> > > >> It was >> originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later >> maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'' >> > > Where's the disagreement? > Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between the two companies... Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out significantly because their license was so special... Or at least that's the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original license to know... Warner --000000000000602aa905b8fb4413 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John = Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:

=

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall= <dave@horsfall.o= rg> wrote:
=C2=A0
> Whose foray?=C2=A0 Not DEC's.=C2=A0 Eunice was = built at SRI and sold by the
> Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.=C2=A0=C2= =A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan = at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'= ;'

Where's the disagreement?
=

Eunice post-dated DEC's fi= rst Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 and later V7M before rebra= nding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr=C2=A0 Kas= htan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewe= rs...=C2=A0 The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis= for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version, al= so done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much r= ivalry between the two companies...=C2=A0

Wollongo= ng got its license because they were the marketing company formed to market= Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out significan= tly because their license was so special...=C2=A0 Or at least that's th= e story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original lice= nse to know...

Warner

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From: Heinz Lycklama Organization: Open Systems Technology Associates Message-ID: <66d2d6e9-921c-8039-1d84-0461f9192a28@osta.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:29:57 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C317C46A95EE8D1A7F203379" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: heinz@osta.com Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C317C46A95EE8D1A7F203379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer in the Fall of 1979. Many of these systems were delivered to customers in North America as well as in Europe well into the mid-1980's. Heinz On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall > wrote: > > > Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by > the > > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. > > It was > originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later > maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'' > > > Where's the disagreement? > > > Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They > sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was > 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways > that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack > that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP > offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by > Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between > the two companies... > > Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company > formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later > branched out significantly because their license was so special... Or > at least that's the story they told customers and internally... I > never saw the original license to know... > > Warner --------------C317C46A95EE8D1A7F203379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
in the Fall of 1979. Many of these systems were delivered to
customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
the mid-1980's.

Heinz

On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:

> Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the
> Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.

It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''

Where's the disagreement?

Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between the two companies...

Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out significantly because their license was so special... Or at least that's the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original license to know...

Warner

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<66d2d6e9-921c-8039-1d84-0461f9192a28@osta.com> In-Reply-To: <66d2d6e9-921c-8039-1d84-0461f9192a28@osta.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:33:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: heinz@osta.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000478e1705b9486d52" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000478e1705b9486d52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Heinz Lycklama wrote: > INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an > early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system > starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the > UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware > architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first > complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS > system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer > in the Fall of 1979. Many of these systems were delivered to > customers in North America as well as in Europe well into > the mid-1980's. > What relationship, if any, does this have to V32? Or maybe "Was that based on V7 or V32?" is the right question... Also, this wasn't something that I had on my list... Any chance there's a paper / article / etc on this? And thank you for your remembrance... Warner > Heinz > > On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: >> >> >>> > Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the >>> > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. >>> >> >> >>> It was >>> originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later >>> maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'' >>> >> >> Where's the disagreement? >> > > Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 > and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 > and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong > feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice > would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more > refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and > there was always much rivalry between the two companies... > > Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed > to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out > significantly because their license was so special... Or at least that's > the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original > license to know... > > Warner > > > --000000000000478e1705b9486d52 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM Heinz= Lycklama <heinz@osta.com> wrot= e:

=20 =20 =20
INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (ISC) also ported a UNIX system to an
early VAX 750 computer running DEC's VMS operating system
starting in mid- 1978. ISC was in the business of porting the
UNIX operating system to many different computer hardware
architectures, mini-computers to mainframes, but the first
complete UNIX system port was actually done to the DEC VMS
system. We delivered the first UNIX on VMS system to a customer
in the Fall of 1979.=C2=A0 Many of these systems were delivered to
customers in North America as well as in Europe well into
the mid-1980's.

What rela= tionship, if any, does this have to V32? Or maybe "Was that based on V= 7 or V32?" is the right question...

Also, thi= s wasn't something that I had on my list... Any chance there's a pa= per / article / etc on this?

And thank you for you= r remembrance...

Warner

=C2=A0

Heinz

On 1/15/2021 6:29 PM, Warner Losh wrote:

=20

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:1= 8 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:

=C2=A0

> Whos= e foray?=C2=A0 Not DEC's.=C2=A0 Eunice was built at SRI and sold by = the
> Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0It = was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.''= ;

Where's the disagreement?

Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr=C2=A0 Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers...=C2=A0 The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between the two companies...=C2=A0

Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out significantly because their license was so special...=C2=A0 Or at least that's th= e story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original license to know...

Warner