[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Bakul Shah via TUHS]

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On Aug 31, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaapna@xs4all.nl> wrote:
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>> On 31 Aug 2024, at 20:09, Angel M Alganza <ama@ugr.es> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2024-08-31 11:59, Rodrigo G. López wrote:
>> 
>>> i'd love to know if any of you remembers this, and if so, would you share the story behind it?
> 
> Google tells me: https://www.y-windows.org/

This is likely a different Y window sys than what Rodrigo found,
which is written in Alef and runs on 2nd ed plan9. Rodrigo may
want to trawl through 9fans mailing list/usenet group archives
or ask there.

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[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rodrigo G. López]

I actually found a reference to it in the 9fans ml:
https://marc.info/?l=9fans&m=111558693515179&w=2

turns out it's been in /sys/src/alef/test/Y on 2nd ed plan 9 all along.
but i still wonder, who did this if not rob himself?

thanks Bakul for mentioning the ml. that reminded me of the local
archive i have, and i was able to sort through it quickly.


-rodri

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 9:36 PM Bakul Shah via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 31, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaapna@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> On 31 Aug 2024, at 20:09, Angel M Alganza <ama@ugr.es> wrote:
>
> On 2024-08-31 11:59, Rodrigo G. López wrote:
>
> i'd love to know if any of you remembers this, and if so, would you share the story behind it?
>
>
> Google tells me: https://www.y-windows.org/
>
>
> This is likely a different Y window sys than what Rodrigo found,
> which is written in Alef and runs on 2nd ed plan9. Rodrigo may
> want to trawl through 9fans mailing list/usenet group archives
> or ask there.
>
>
>

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rodrigo G. López]

thanks rob!

i don't see him on the list, so i'll see if i can reach him through other media.


-rodri

On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 4:29 AM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I looked at the source. I still have no memory of it existing, but stylistically it's almost certainly code written by Phil Winterbottom.
>
> -rob
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 2:26 AM Rodrigo G. López <rodrigosloop@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> maybe it was developed outside of the labs then.
>>
>>
>> -rodri
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 12:56 PM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've never heard of it.
>> >
>> > -rob
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 8:16 PM Rodrigo G. López <rodrigosloop@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hello everyone,
>> >>
>> >> i recently came across a little window manager, written in Alef, that
>> >> i've had in my /tmp folder
>> >> for the last five years. it's called Y (probably as a response to X),
>> >> and i grabbed it from
>> >> 9gridchan's public griddisk; run by the late mycroftiv until 2022.
>> >>
>> >> i think it must've been an experimental project by Pike, Rosenthal or
>> >> Tom Duff, but i can't find
>> >> any documentation about it anywhere. i'd love to know if any of you
>> >> remembers this, and if so,
>> >> would you share the story behind it?
>> >>
>> >> i uploaded the source code here: http://antares-labs.eu/isometric/Y.tgz
>> >>
>> >> and it runs on 2nd ed plan 9 without issue (see the attached screenshot.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> cheers!
>> >>
>> >> -rodri

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rob Pike]

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I looked at the source. I still have no memory of it existing, but
stylistically it's almost certainly code written by Phil Winterbottom.

-rob


On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 2:26 AM Rodrigo G. López <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>
wrote:

> maybe it was developed outside of the labs then.
>
>
> -rodri
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 12:56 PM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've never heard of it.
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 8:16 PM Rodrigo G. López <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> hello everyone,
> >>
> >> i recently came across a little window manager, written in Alef, that
> >> i've had in my /tmp folder
> >> for the last five years. it's called Y (probably as a response to X),
> >> and i grabbed it from
> >> 9gridchan's public griddisk; run by the late mycroftiv until 2022.
> >>
> >> i think it must've been an experimental project by Pike, Rosenthal or
> >> Tom Duff, but i can't find
> >> any documentation about it anywhere. i'd love to know if any of you
> >> remembers this, and if so,
> >> would you share the story behind it?
> >>
> >> i uploaded the source code here: http://antares-labs.eu/isometric/Y.tgz
> >>
> >> and it runs on 2nd ed plan 9 without issue (see the attached
> screenshot.)
> >>
> >>
> >> cheers!
> >>
> >> -rodri
>

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[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Noel Chiappa]

    > From: Rodrigo Lopez

    >> Google tells me: https://www.y-windows.org/

    > from .. the code, that one has nothing to do with this.

It actually makes sense that there are two separate ones called 'Y'. The X
Window System was a descendant of the W window system, so if someone wanted
to do another one, 'Y' was the obvious namee to pick. All it needs now is two
separate people who decide they want to do a window system... voila!

	Noel

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rodrigo G. López]

> I think Y was included in PicoBSD, the one 1.44MB 3.5" floppy version of
> FreeBSD.  I must have a couple of floppies with it on them somewhere.
> Need to look for them now and give them a try.  :-)

cool, that'd be great. thanks!


-rodri

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 8:16 PM Angel M Alganza <ama@ugr.es> wrote:
>
> On 2024-08-31 11:59, Rodrigo G. López wrote:
>
> > i'd love to know if any of you remembers this, and if so, would you
> > share the story behind it?
>
> I think Y was included in PicoBSD, the one 1.44MB 3.5" floppy version of
> FreeBSD.  I must have a couple of floppies with it on them somewhere.
> Need to look for them now and give them a try.  :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Ángel

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rodrigo G. López]

> Google tells me: https://www.y-windows.org/
>

judging from the screenshots and the code, that one has nothing to do with this.


-rodri

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 8:16 PM Jaap Akkerhuis <jaapna@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> On 31 Aug 2024, at 20:09, Angel M Alganza <ama@ugr.es> wrote:
>
> On 2024-08-31 11:59, Rodrigo G. López wrote:
>
> i'd love to know if any of you remembers this, and if so, would you share the story behind it?
>
>
> Google tells me: https://www.y-windows.org/
>
> jaap
>
>
> I think Y was included in PicoBSD, the one 1.44MB 3.5" floppy version of FreeBSD.  I must have a couple of floppies with it on them somewhere.  Need to look for them now and give them a try.  :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Ángel
>
>

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Jaap Akkerhuis]

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> On 31 Aug 2024, at 20:09, Angel M Alganza <ama@ugr.es> wrote:
> 
> On 2024-08-31 11:59, Rodrigo G. López wrote:
> 
>> i'd love to know if any of you remembers this, and if so, would you share the story behind it?

Google tells me: https://www.y-windows.org/

	jaap

> 
> I think Y was included in PicoBSD, the one 1.44MB 3.5" floppy version of FreeBSD.  I must have a couple of floppies with it on them somewhere.  Need to look for them now and give them a try.  :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ángel


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[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Angel M Alganza]

On 2024-08-31 11:59, Rodrigo G. López wrote:

> i'd love to know if any of you remembers this, and if so, would you 
> share the story behind it?

I think Y was included in PicoBSD, the one 1.44MB 3.5" floppy version of 
FreeBSD.  I must have a couple of floppies with it on them somewhere.  
Need to look for them now and give them a try.  :-)

Cheers,
Ángel

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rodrigo G. López]

maybe it was developed outside of the labs then.


-rodri

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 12:56 PM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've never heard of it.
>
> -rob
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 8:16 PM Rodrigo G. López <rodrigosloop@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> hello everyone,
>>
>> i recently came across a little window manager, written in Alef, that
>> i've had in my /tmp folder
>> for the last five years. it's called Y (probably as a response to X),
>> and i grabbed it from
>> 9gridchan's public griddisk; run by the late mycroftiv until 2022.
>>
>> i think it must've been an experimental project by Pike, Rosenthal or
>> Tom Duff, but i can't find
>> any documentation about it anywhere. i'd love to know if any of you
>> remembers this, and if so,
>> would you share the story behind it?
>>
>> i uploaded the source code here: http://antares-labs.eu/isometric/Y.tgz
>>
>> and it runs on 2nd ed plan 9 without issue (see the attached screenshot.)
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>>
>> -rodri

[TUHS] Re: the Y window system

[Rob Pike]

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I've never heard of it.

-rob


On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 8:16 PM Rodrigo G. López <rodrigosloop@gmail.com>
wrote:

> hello everyone,
>
> i recently came across a little window manager, written in Alef, that
> i've had in my /tmp folder
> for the last five years. it's called Y (probably as a response to X),
> and i grabbed it from
> 9gridchan's public griddisk; run by the late mycroftiv until 2022.
>
> i think it must've been an experimental project by Pike, Rosenthal or
> Tom Duff, but i can't find
> any documentation about it anywhere. i'd love to know if any of you
> remembers this, and if so,
> would you share the story behind it?
>
> i uploaded the source code here: http://antares-labs.eu/isometric/Y.tgz
>
> and it runs on 2nd ed plan 9 without issue (see the attached screenshot.)
>
>
> cheers!
>
> -rodri
>

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