From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c3343e80 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 71C9F93D93; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:52:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4545F93D58; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:51:28 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ieee.org header.i=@ieee.org header.b="SUP6QeXK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3477893D35; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:51:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f46.google.com (mail-lf1-f46.google.com [209.85.167.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F60E93D58 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:51:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f46.google.com with SMTP id j14so4732351lfb.8 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:51:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/vu3qv5R0uNsE5G+CDbrduOeDgUEpx05FQstWEFn9QU=; b=SUP6QeXKcKsYA8ozIgoMTgKlK1vEI9F9sCJIFr6pXFqT71d52b7Iz4CI2dd8H6CmWM hFOmXzzT84c/BpGixb1vnGMWMFPyJNqTIVKbRfELpraRUZaw5LwHNX93QLoTfgYFG7n6 pX/1FZqlzymZPpMojyVmY90+dk/AE1XLq7D+8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/vu3qv5R0uNsE5G+CDbrduOeDgUEpx05FQstWEFn9QU=; b=ldGXGAngtqwBJAhl4PoeQ16+pCCz0cqnoznROZ6Q9D2RWe0lexnSBDePi57vvjnYnO ltDDhZGT1M1noUdKWxvZrLjjCJ7ToT1YP5bmt0ubVayZ9w18yA0J3brkIvCY+0mc65Rl vXVYPencdM8x1jvB3gqpf9o/EzBQTK53bvCL49LaCJwYbyn3DEWDcoHBz7WFE7wX6ikS F+b5o/HfpyrStmMqqAaoa8V5UnIZaTmyvBYTMUta0aNEONSKT0+P0I/d2GylPj7G+n6i ehqCz8H4xCHIuacf/RBNv2iMlph/nmTkRdnWN5ZWI5eYzI/JaM4bTurSCo9+r68VLcTg a+Nw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUjR3QlfffPOIfSjl24Hgs0BBhKzksbU5XNp9P9IIRAxXQwe6Z1 5vZyf5wHBdPdk91J2i4zh0ESF4VvnYUV0Dc1ac/YFw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyHYZb1fdA/y1eYS3Hi4uySrK53Z6rsDUer2oldVt6zT4auX/GP8QwJuJ1K8DteOlK1T05DdCLWNhoFlNmU0Us= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:57cb:: with SMTP id k11mr3609580lfo.87.1572529880449; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:51:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191029040434.GA29996@minnie.tuhs.org> <201910310751.x9V7pJ26030054@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <201910310751.x9V7pJ26030054@freefriends.org> From: Tom Lyon Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:51:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eca3860596352431" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix, IBM, 370 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000eca3860596352431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The Bell Labs 370 port was different, it was based on running inside of TSS/370, which was an IBM OS which hardly anyone besides Bells's ESS group used. Clem can tell us all about the IBM/Locus port to the 370. And maybe there was another IBM port?? Much later, Sun ported Solaris to the Hitachi HDS 370 clones (for Hitachi), and then to Amdahl clones for Amdahl/Fujitsu. On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 AM wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Kudos for making these things available. The links are great reading > as well. > > I have the strong impression that this is different from the port > at Bell Labs described in the 1984 BSTJ article; can you confirm? > > Warren, can you add the links into the README or whatever that's > in the archive? > > Thanks, > > Arnold > > Tom Lyon wrote: > > > Hi, folks. Tom Lyon here - this UNIX 370 stuff was recovered by Stephen > at > > LCM+L from DECtapes that I've had sitting around for 40+ years. > > You can read all about the Princeton/Amdahl project here: > > https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/12/370unixpart1/ > > > > If anyone wants to get serious with the code, you'll need Hercules with a > > VM/370 image as well as a PDP-11 emulator running V6. There's not a lot > > beyond the kernel, I got the shell working enough to prove that fork > > worked, and then ran out of steam because of the awful communication > > problems between the PDP and the IBM. [ But that was my start as a > > networking guy ]. I personally haven't had time to do anything with the > > recovered bits. > > > > I've been lurking on TUHS for a while - a special Hi to Ken Thompson and > > Steve Johnson. I owe a lot to each of them. Read about my summer at Bell > > with the Interdata 8/32 here: > https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/16/belllabspart1/ > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:04 PM Warren Toomey wrote: > > > > > All, the second Unix artifact that I've been waiting to announce has > > > arrived. This time the LCM+L is announcing it. It's not the booting > PDP-7. > > > > > > So, cast your eyes on > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/IBM/370/ > > > > > > Cheers, Warren > > > > > > P.S Thanks to Stephen Jones for this as well. > > > > > > > > > -- > > - Tom > -- - Tom --000000000000eca3860596352431 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The= Bell Labs 370 port was different, it was based on running inside of TSS/37= 0, which was an IBM OS which=C2=A0hardly anyone besides Bells's ESS gro= up used.

Clem can tell us= all about the IBM/Locus port to the 370.=C2=A0 And maybe there was another= IBM port??
Much later, S= un ported Solaris to the Hitachi HDS 370 clones (for Hitachi), and then to = Amdahl clones for Amdahl/Fujitsu.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 AM <= ;arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi Tom,

Kudos for making these things available. The links are great reading
as well.

I have the strong impression that this is different from the port
at Bell Labs described in the 1984 BSTJ article; can you confirm?

Warren, can you add the links into the README or whatever that's
in the archive?

Thanks,

Arnold

Tom Lyon <pugs@ieee.o= rg> wrote:

> Hi, folks. Tom Lyon here - this UNIX 370 stuff was recovered by Stephe= n at
> LCM+L from DECtapes that I've had sitting around for 40+ years. > You can read all about the Princeton/Amdahl project here:
> https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/12/370unixpart1/<= br> >
> If anyone wants to get serious with the code, you'll need Hercules= with a
> VM/370 image as well as a PDP-11 emulator running V6. There's not = a lot
> beyond the kernel, I got the shell working enough to prove that fork > worked, and then ran out of steam because of the awful communication > problems between the PDP and the IBM.=C2=A0 [ But that was my start as= a
> networking guy ]. I personally haven't had time to do anything wit= h the
> recovered bits.
>
> I've been lurking on TUHS for a while - a special Hi to Ken Thomps= on and
> Steve Johnson. I owe a lot to each of them. Read about my summer at Be= ll
> with the Interdata 8/32 here: https://akapugs.blo= g/2018/05/16/belllabspart1/
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:04 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> > All, the second Unix artifact that I've been waiting to annou= nce has
> > arrived. This time the LCM+L is announcing it. It's not the b= ooting PDP-7.
> >
> > So, cast your eyes on https://www.tuhs.= org/Archive/Distributions/IBM/370/
> >
> > Cheers, Warren
> >
> > P.S Thanks to Stephen Jones for this as well.
> >
>
>
> --
> - Tom


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- Tom
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