From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31186 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2021 14:09:58 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Apr 2021 14:09:58 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 769E19BFE6; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:09:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0BE9BB66; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:09:21 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ieee.org header.i=@ieee.org header.b="Ew5be4h9"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2F54B9BB66; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:09:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f179.google.com (mail-lj1-f179.google.com [209.85.208.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7314E9BB65 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:09:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f179.google.com with SMTP id r20so6629168ljk.4 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 07:09:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pPjpdumjeO8RX4g7TvuVbyeg8z5W+BihW311sKg8omw=; b=Ew5be4h9HDYfp/9m4IvwzxY7X4kFBK/jbwb7qM7mGXwG6OGa2hOcrDH4qKLWRan2Cu Qb2YnSMj8/G5l2+aU0FUppS4HwQMeN9YupIDhJIUsO0nd/XaX8vFjdc2e0O/Sc83vhDi SffeiEOA48KnmPwU+YX0ii6GIgRBSQinpI6aM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pPjpdumjeO8RX4g7TvuVbyeg8z5W+BihW311sKg8omw=; b=DtTIEJhbHN4BPeTcTjaCKG+CXHF8YnVUD9Rot388Z7x1N4TWslS5NIBdQrvsi7/jIY pQbmEyDedtS2eGceuno7j9rsQP4Qqif2Qw/bD5/mXJFAOsFLfuA6k8fzQJfwyi+YQLaG 2S9VbK4x4xgESPe4lX4uov1Pu2TaudwpWukXf8fS0OTJUjbrUv+lDbG5D5UlEPg1WocD va66jVovLc6fZ3QLd+ANAMFZ+xf7iYXGY/jeEqV4CQm4KD+tPdPIpJMT+hoREaSi5oLr tBwvsu+iaQF22Iknrmlbdttus4joyTxXUFimLs2SV5MixmBdnG/Pe7G2K4570UTMSvB9 NUQw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530/1AKoJDzjLdvVOQYwL+OFhi/LMZh6V43TETkb8q5JSCMfSzDY IT8IerPa43x8+sN6b/vQjtNATK0mwN0Ix3k0di4vDllRywDKeg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw9PXnWVMPwVJ7KHtGn7iBEjiozZEy7rUnG/h7UC+Af7GXsp+Bx76jDcA3HeP6HyNLJ2Ob12o0zfu6PSEWLuTU= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9557:: with SMTP id t23mr9764883ljh.409.1617977349837; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 07:09:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0F0B9BFC06289346B88512B91E55670D3012@EXCHANGE> In-Reply-To: <0F0B9BFC06289346B88512B91E55670D3012@EXCHANGE> From: Tom Lyon Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 07:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jason Stevens Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000031370d05bf8ab5ce" Subject: Re: [TUHS] SUN (Stanford University Network) was PC Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000031370d05bf8ab5ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Prior to Sun, Andy had a company called VLSI Technology, Inc. which licensed SUN designs to 5-10 companies, including Forward Technology and CoData, IIRC. The SUN IPR effectively belonged to Andy, but I don't know what kind of legal arrangement he had with Stanford. But the design was not generally public, and relied on CAD tools only extant on the Stanford PDP-10. Cisco did start with the SUN-1 processor, though whether they got it from Andy or direct from Stanford is not known to me. When Cisco started (1984), the Sun-1 was long dead already at Sun. After both Sun and Cisco, Stanford got serious about holding on to IPR. On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:12 PM Jason Stevens < jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote: > Is there any solid info on the Stanford SUN boards? I just know the SUN-1 > was based around them, but they aren't the same thing? And apparently > cisco > used them as well but 'borrowed' someone's RTOS design as the basis for > IOS? > There was some lawsuit and Stanford got cisco network gear for years for > free but they couldn't take stock for some reason? > > I see more and more of these CP/M SBC's on ebay/online and it seems odd > that > there is no 'DIY' SUN boards... Or were they not all that open, hence why > they kind of disappeared? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Steinhart > To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org > Sent: 4/8/21 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix > > Larry McVoy writes: > > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:18:04AM +0200, Thomas Paulsen wrote: > > > >From: John Gilmore > > > >Sun was making 68000-based systems in 1981, before the IBM PC was > created. > > > > > > Sun was founded on February 24, 1982. The Sun-1 was launched in May > 1982. > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-1 > > > > John may be sort of right, I bet avb was building 68k machines at > > Stanford before SUN was founded. Sun stood for Stanford University > > Network I believe. > > > > --lm > > Larry is correct. I remember visiting a friend of mind, Gary Newman, > who was working at Lucasfilm in '81. He showed me a bunch of stuff > that they were doing on Stanford University Network boards. > > Full disclosure, it was Gary and Paul Rubinfeld who ended up at DEC > and I believe was the architect for the microVax who told me about > the explorer scout post at BTL which is how I met Heinz. > > Jon > -- - Tom --00000000000031370d05bf8ab5ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pri= or to Sun, Andy had a company called VLSI Technology, Inc. which licensed S= UN designs to 5-10 companies, including Forward Technology and CoData, IIRC= .=C2=A0 The SUN IPR effectively belonged to Andy, but I don't know what= kind of legal arrangement=C2=A0he had with Stanford.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But the d= esign was not generally public, and relied on CAD tools only extant on the = Stanford PDP-10.=C2=A0 Cisco did start with the SUN-1 processor, though whe= ther they got it from Andy or direct from Stanford is not known to me.=C2= =A0 When Cisco started (1984), the Sun-1 was long dead already at Sun.

After both Sun and Cisco, Sta= nford got serious about holding on to IPR.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:1= 2 PM Jason Stevens <js= teve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
Is there any solid info on the Stanford SUN boa= rds?=C2=A0 I just know the SUN-1
was based around them, but they aren't the same thing?=C2=A0 And appare= ntly cisco
used them as well but 'borrowed' someone's RTOS design as the b= asis for IOS?
There was some lawsuit and Stanford got cisco network gear for years for free but they couldn't take stock for some reason?

I see more and more of these CP/M SBC's on ebay/online and it seems odd= that
there is no 'DIY' SUN boards... Or were they not all that open, hen= ce why
they kind of disappeared?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Steinhart
To: tuhs@minnie.t= uhs.org
Sent: 4/8/21 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix

Larry McVoy writes:
> On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:18:04AM +0200, Thomas Paulsen wrote:
> > >From: John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>
> > >Sun was making 68000-based systems in 1981, before the IBM PC= was
created.
> >
> > Sun was founded on February 24, 1982. The Sun-1 was launched in M= ay
1982.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsyste= ms
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-1
>
> John may be sort of right, I bet avb was building 68k machines at
> Stanford before SUN was founded.=C2=A0 Sun stood for Stanford Universi= ty
> Network I believe.
>
> --lm

Larry is correct.=C2=A0 I remember visiting a friend of mind, Gary Newman,<= br> who was working at Lucasfilm in '81.=C2=A0 He showed me a bunch of stuf= f
that they were doing on Stanford University Network boards.

Full disclosure, it was Gary and Paul Rubinfeld who ended up at DEC
and I believe was the architect for the microVax who told me about
the explorer scout post at BTL which is how I met Heinz.

Jon


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- Tom
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