From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21638 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2022 00:25:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Mar 2022 00:25:57 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 58F909D048; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:25:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61039D02D; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:22:23 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ieee.org header.i=@ieee.org header.b="e2+9kTqt"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 187BA9D02D; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:22:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yb1-f172.google.com (mail-yb1-f172.google.com [209.85.219.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32FB99D02A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:22:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yb1-f172.google.com with SMTP id y38so31730032ybi.8 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:22:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pkjzwrGr3eWvqcrSh5dTGUOMymfn6WgPOMAau8nD0Qs=; b=e2+9kTqtNi/yDITPhi9LiXzwn7GmabdyBa2c5fZjk8Oegp/YRbIqinJtt3AX3Dtr8k 0fVqaN00G5wR9wMoqH8WdXWIuOxxiQcbI+Lzl/BW9V1US3hdkBEI4K4+SKFTPFeCx23Q u5RWbwd7zedQgFYuTjCmy2gcQwc5wtbx8xGOw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pkjzwrGr3eWvqcrSh5dTGUOMymfn6WgPOMAau8nD0Qs=; b=dbVAlA+RcfBIVP6k58IG0QrGs3PRIgyZmNw99dZ9R7XlsH8T3lGFVK4hJysSZ0Q/qY 6v60DeEUk1w7xgbzXbFOb+4c9PBOMuUzPVDPfiFVSUvbTglxOLLsVzuHKIQHpXI20MQH kTglB0ZY/ItiN+q0/OqzsNSWWHv52VuzFlRMZtvKYHmcXosoy/GTyO4VJMQBDZCQRmMO ZxqYBfo0rWsDNiv52SI9SdWuYRhllaFZzmbGpqVUMs2pEsKJ2w4CSJBRDqCP69IHuHEq Hn9ZCxqT1wSudKZS4X8FiNVNXLzIDSBXRlye3F+FKc8E3RTquPbny18BTFruwvDKqlV5 aJew== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xtChbbfg5zj69QfLM2YKtuoEKRx4iTC/JDY87tvvl2UdveibN KiYmfaS0OiV9imMujjqhFLEBd6jhpz18WH6t5DG6C7jYEuE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/XrdyH9T7WjEMR+i4Ep2uSnYM5idlPjz8Q6uhoZVN8U3f/qS0TsaK7zugr72ggBiWozS0x8Zy+/sUQYVPUkE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:f802:0:b0:633:c6cc:bb89 with SMTP id u2-20020a25f802000000b00633c6ccbb89mr31511453ybd.345.1648599731205; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:22:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2305F69C-26A5-45C4-9F55-DC7A0ECE85BA@quintile.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:22:00 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ron Natalie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005b1a3105db648994" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Tom Lyon via TUHS Reply-To: Tom Lyon Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000005b1a3105db648994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, awful terminals demand different editors. At Amdahl, we had nothing but 3270s for the mainframe UNIX. Dan Walsh wrote an editor - "ned" - which allowed full screen editing. It was actually quite nice, considering. It allowed any "ed" commands in a command line, but ISPF-like block editing elsewhere. I wrote the 3270 driver which allowed "almost" full duplex interaction with UNIX. On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:47 PM Ron Natalie wrote: > Was it one of the awful Pukin-Elmer terminals. I hated those things. > > Then there was the Rand/Interactive Systems INed. We were stuck using > that when I worked for Martin. > > I never learned vi. If there is no EMACS-like thing on the machine, > then I just use ed (sometimes I can get by with ex/vi in line mode). > > The funniest editor story I have is one day I'm working at Martin. > Having actually heard of UNIX before (let alone having done kernel and > other work) I was sort of the in house expert. One day one of my > coworkers calls out to me: > > "What's all this Bell System crud in the editor?" > > I'm thinking, well, it's all Bell System crud. What specifically are > we talking about. I walk around to see his terminal and find he has > been typing 1 repeatedly to the shell prompt invoking our /usr/bin/1 > that said "One Bell System, It Works." > > After that I modded the program to say "You're not in the editor, > Bernie." > > It was almost as much fun as putting "You might have mail." in motd. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Steve Simon" > To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org > Sent: 3/29/2022 3:09:52 PM > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors > > > > >I never really used it but i do remember an editor called le on the v7 > interdata/Perkin Elmer i used at Leeds poly. > > > >I read electronics and we all used vi, the computer science people at a > different campus used le on their Interdata; no idea why. > > > >anyone any background on le? ihave not seen sight nor sound of it since. > > > >-Steve > > > > -- - Tom --0000000000005b1a3105db648994 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes= , awful terminals demand different editors.

At Amdahl, we had nothing but 3270s for the mainframe = UNIX.
Dan Walsh= wrote an editor - "ned" - which allowed full screen editing. It = was actually quite nice, considering. It allowed any "ed" command= s in a command line, but ISPF-like block editing elsewhere.

I wrote the 3270 driver which allowed &q= uot;almost" full duplex interaction with UNIX.

On Tue, Mar 29, 20= 22 at 2:47 PM Ron Natalie <ron@ron= natalie.com> wrote:
Was it one of the awful Pukin-Elmer terminals.=C2=A0 I hated tho= se things.

Then there was the Rand/Interactive Systems INed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We were stuck= using
that when I worked for Martin.

I never learned vi.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If there is no EMACS-like thing on the mach= ine,
then I just use ed (sometimes I can get by with ex/vi in line mode).

The funniest editor story I have is one day I'm working at Martin.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0
Having actually heard of UNIX before (let alone having done kernel and
other work) I was sort of the in house expert.=C2=A0 =C2=A0One day one of m= y
coworkers calls out to me:

"What's all this Bell System crud in the editor?"

I'm thinking, well, it's all Bell System crud.=C2=A0 =C2=A0What spe= cifically are
we talking about.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I walk around to see his terminal and find he= has
been typing 1 repeatedly to the shell prompt invoking our /usr/bin/1
that said "One Bell System, It Works."

After that I modded the program to say "You're not in the editor, =
Bernie."

It was almost as much fun as putting "You might have mail." in mo= td.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Steve Simon" <steve@quintile.net>
To: tuhs@minnie.t= uhs.org
Sent: 3/29/2022 3:09:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors

>
>I never really used it but i do remember an editor called le on the v7 = interdata/Perkin Elmer i used at Leeds poly.
>
>I read electronics and we=C2=A0 all used vi, the computer science peopl= e at a different campus used le on their Interdata; no idea why.
>
>anyone any background on le? ihave not seen sight nor sound of it since= .
>
>-Steve
>



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