From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384C226403 for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 23:01:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A0543B65; Tue, 21 May 2024 07:01:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87BEB43B64 for ; Tue, 21 May 2024 07:00:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-51ff65b1e14so5357116e87.2 for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1716238853; x=1716843653; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=QjnNR0Nmy9ubCFeCz/Q6ReATAxpWWzIDnla5Q2kf3N4=; b=XbToENZXcSOHYa6O64RbbIgn63qiZmkI6h4+cvvnzJuz6we+KcREUCVetfAZ6YuXa9 2WYRSq+DQDt9hAPNRclz322FvXplOWv8d8CLQ+B97WUww64CPv+g421Urwnqvcrd5FWe qPGM0ci0E8bUpZpwssmq9gWgegYNwhXPZvlL3XcmS/It+cC0xqx+dtzbyzm2T/81mMIV wMVOw6YDHPYjCtAhCvGE7mUSvqEDz7M8YjZM/LGZWed5phoKXMjc/k0sOadVLzPaqCS/ l3/BRcvOfYs5Jpl/ShrX9Xh5zd9w7A0HkMXCy0OUs6FFElpgQNrfVVpY2hiZpNhNHbmM yczw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1716238853; x=1716843653; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=QjnNR0Nmy9ubCFeCz/Q6ReATAxpWWzIDnla5Q2kf3N4=; b=clj+uxTCSur7jTbLE07OKJ39moPxgqxBzN4tXoB4q4+WUKvBOsZU4BwAosDSQlmrtb gU7z6S5Yol1nVJUqI9w9/Xwsy7jR4xdQtXARZKDxPEftTxvlVOdfcBSbirNvIFaiqb0W d75vc0ty9CThf1w3psEqETyMwF9XPhb5WZtiwCKJslx/k3fj/36vzfgaNosns0DFQfNS 1lF+p599QCulGBWO85U0LWWSYdIuTxTa5EisCCPRKMbAv7BNnjCcySBP9YI6FLFC2yVk kxiPW1QzIMjghinNxC8bq+73A5jHSNHRu/fLT5o+XlP+82/BhEJnWgRD2BgK8uKATuRU bNxg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWrnVhIITmLwTocAEpciBdxU3xmaCem+pS7CUcmj67l8+a4ZXdvQCBtyxKfg4HNTnrFBxrWUmN4FygilrUN X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx3QBWb/xMEgQ4gB/fZDmDqxOjPm9xeDxgf6cBOOJKZcP9R2k8E 8M5Fao4dsnZ66amY5f9LDvuWKnWNfwjLVqnNvKr8rtzb34V5/blO1KZsujgbq+BTqdI1SWwPbLc qZqS4FcVZ/+Tjs2loRdco6sClpyfMOfptjDg4qFvj6xzv+RiCgTNWXA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGR9egxxeRpTGni5NXqPd2drbYOZUK6W2MHwU5huf2k+FKu3bGUjBLeoDDArdqq+L1uomdKryNetfQt3f/kiIQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3d87:b0:523:b272:c73 with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-523b2720dd6mr12688162e87.7.1716238852925; Mon, 20 May 2024 14:00:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240520200226.80F428B9493A@ary.qy> <20240520201122.GC27662@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20240520201122.GC27662@mcvoy.com> From: Ben Kallus Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 17:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: KPOH6YWBEVFIJSLJPM45W6OGKBBA6SPH X-Message-ID-Hash: KPOH6YWBEVFIJSLJPM45W6OGKBBA6SPH X-MailFrom: benjamin.p.kallus.gr@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: John Levine , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: OT: LangSec (Re: A fuzzy awk.) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: What I meant was that the LangSec people reject the robustness principle as it is commonly understood (i.e., make a "reasonable" guess when receiving garbage), not necessarily that their view is incompatible with Postel's original vision. This interpretation of the principle is pretty widespread; take a look at the Nginx mailing list if you have any doubt. I attribute this to the same phenomenon that inverted the meaning of REST. -Ben