From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7545 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2023 18:27:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Sep 2023 18:27:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E80140296; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 04:27:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-x52d.google.com (mail-pg1-x52d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8FBA40294 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 04:27:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-564af0ac494so3484265a12.0 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695061622; x=1695666422; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=N2iaz4DO7iy8pOBDeWbDcY18N1Zd8PPbcAkrH9/IsjQ=; b=RBPuQ+vli2/H2FjzU+TcH7/KA9C4aX3R6s/X1wYL7jfqC5JTexUPT/AfreWnauTdjs mEVdeHV3QxMl4+k7f+A/D2EA/Xo7t35rSlnLgKHeO08I7iyn3ILFDWMocdo2pCIl9P7g sIF8ysZCm17YIuQ912tUCLW5UzFeoC8hTyXvyhOpoezcjNHvcDsddCJUTWWUC5gq9iWh HABXUp9QveRsAdG0qJE7V0QFfVYfy3SbLW0cruHzY7Q9GfZwZ+VKtOINROdCyB88WMYg ZjKe0LU5hwuH8NfABQ41c55XRZgbQpB27C7JleeUPNlgAn9XGr6fUHtJn3G1VC3gnkTa kSOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695061622; x=1695666422; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=N2iaz4DO7iy8pOBDeWbDcY18N1Zd8PPbcAkrH9/IsjQ=; b=MNZVp1SyXwEQgTzHQPZFIM9riekvV4/OnYUpr7x5V6+89u4TjvgeeHupi/MZijMBoW Y0Pj506ZgTL6Nw4+XcN1J/RkGxvoiNDZg+gR/ZjzsCvAnwjGu/SUniaUThR/YMjCrBna WkmcL44QUg85SM5dz7JBqYA5q8ZGlTrAWo1NnChUv0jkEKtnA6n6M7oh/uKpwHOA5b9U Xr5DxVQ9lOHkTm9bBx9e5kuYyFHLUWDhZ9kQTqbfcQVp/qa7guqVBtajQMq1ROkEjaiz xHXYnzYKQ1O0234UcvPWwTvCHNpryxTINf0VwDUGzPUGC5dmRbOEqBOWf+dQdfOoU4Vi o8UA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzwTgb5fo9j8B9Ifege1v5+WjBjCX/VbNDqfGnyhE54iPspl3Ri s7BZMSd/2OYNSrBe6XIqYqAITjtHj5mmEOl5FXZqys8E X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHQsNDlJQxPb0LizeGCRP6kL8Hs7yci3tqhRjfmRB3ewSuEFSZRgMJEWT8zpbA8q+8Wi3HnsNh+fC3NiDFilKE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:3ea5:b0:276:6b9d:7503 with SMTP id k34-20020a17090a3ea500b002766b9d7503mr2789661pjc.28.1695061621923; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6a11:2008:b0:4e6:21ca:4dee with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Paul Winalski Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:27:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ronald Natalie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: RF5SQMHXVO4WWS7VRWJQIGWNJOFLXEZK X-Message-ID-Hash: RF5SQMHXVO4WWS7VRWJQIGWNJOFLXEZK X-MailFrom: paul.winalski@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX Influence on Teletype and Vice Versa List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 9/18/23, Ronald Natalie wrote: > The thing most people know in the (computer) world as a teletype is a > model 33 which really UNIX was unaffected by (other than dealing with > the limited character set) and UNIX didn=E2=80=99t influence. For those= with a > model 37 (I had one in my house for a while picked up surplus from Rocky > Flats), you knew of its influence on UNIX. This was a unit that the > line terminator was indeed NEWLINE (^J) rather than carriage return. It > dealt with all the ESC 8 and 9 and the like that nroff put out by > default and th SI/SO to shift from the regular to the greek character > box. Most importantly for Unix, I would think, the Teletype model 37 had both uppercase and lowercase capability. Essential for a case-sensitive environment such as Unix. The model 33 was uppercase-only. -Paul W.