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From: paul.winalski@gmail.com (Paul Winalski)
Subject: [TUHS] 3330s, 3340s, Winchesters... (was: /dev/drum)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:43:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABH=_VSWsBcJ+XFP5UiMYZMCHO3LD6a63mbXxRJxoDaH9JcZ5Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180424032830.GJ31055@eureka.lemis.com>

On 4/23/18, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com> wrote:
>
> You're confusing the 3330 with the 3340: the latter was the
> Winchester, the first disk with an HDA.  The 3330 was the old-style
> disk pack in a cheese bell.  A variant (apparently not from IBM; CDC
> maybe?) of the same disk pack stored 300 MB, and we used a lot of them
> at Tandem in the 1970s and early 1980s.  I suppose they were pretty
> widespread.

The 3330 was, as you say, a conventional (for the day) disk drive
where the heads remain with the drive and you removed the platters
with a plastic cover very much like a cheese bell.  The 3340 was the
first IBM drive where the heads were sealed with the media.  The disk
packs looked somewhat like the front end of the Starship Enterprise,
with something like a roll-top desk cover at the back.  You put the
pack in the drive, the drive opened the roll-top desk and plugged into
the back of the head assembly, and you were in business.  After a few
years IBM discovered that nobody was removing their disks anymore, and
so the 3340's follow-ons were not removable.  But they still used the
sealed-media technology still in use in hard drives today.

Regarding the Winchester code name, I've argued about this with Clem
before.  Clem claims that the code name refers to various advances in
disk technology first released in the 3330's disk packs.  Wikipedia
and my own memory agree with you that Winchester referred to the 3340.

-Paul W.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-24 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-20 15:02 [TUHS] /dev/drum Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-20 15:58 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:00 ` David Collantes
2018-04-20 16:12   ` Dan Cross
2018-04-20 16:21     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:33     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-20 19:17       ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-20 20:23         ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 17:01     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-22 17:37       ` Clem Cole
2018-04-22 19:14         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-22 20:58         ` Mutiny
2018-04-22 22:37           ` Clem cole
2018-04-22 21:51         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-25  1:27           ` Dan Stromberg
2018-04-25 12:18             ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-25 13:39               ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` arnold
2018-04-25 14:59                   ` tfb
2018-04-25 14:33               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-25 14:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 15:03                   ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 20:29               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 20:45                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 21:14                   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-04-25 21:30                     ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 23:01                 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-23 16:42         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 17:30           ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-23 17:51             ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 18:30               ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 14:38                   ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 20:47               ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-23 21:06                 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 21:14                   ` Dan Mick
2018-04-23 21:27                     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-24  3:28                       ` [TUHS] 3330s, 3340s, Winchesters... (was: /dev/drum) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-24 11:43                         ` Paul Winalski [this message]
2018-04-24 13:13                           ` Clem Cole
2018-04-25  0:52                             ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25 20:54                               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-23 22:07                 ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 22:15                   ` Warner Losh
2018-04-23 23:30                     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  9:37                       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-04-24  9:57                         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24 13:01                           ` Nemo
2018-04-24 13:03                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-25  1:31                       ` [TUHS] Disk data layout (was: /dev/drum) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25  6:43                         ` Hellwig Geisse
2018-04-25 21:17                         ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 21:55                           ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-27 15:47                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-27 18:16                             ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-27 18:37                               ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:45                   ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Arthur Krewat
2018-04-24  8:05                     ` tfb
2018-04-24 12:06 [TUHS] 3330s, 3340s, Winchesters... (was: /dev/drum) Noel Chiappa
2018-04-25  0:47 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25 14:15   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-04-27  5:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-27 13:13       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-04-27 14:42       ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-28  8:05         ` Wesley Parish

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