From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25299 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2023 16:18:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jun 2023 16:18:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC0C41469; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 02:18:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-x1033.google.com (mail-pj1-x1033.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1533940C61 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 02:18:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1033.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-25695bb6461so1592401a91.1 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 09:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1686932310; x=1689524310; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=vEh7tr+I4+Dw/Xt1VyvS5fusQz72bTANIR8esJZ0OEs=; b=YS3kIcVbybfyEJk+IUpb17PHhLwR7xMgmhpayJSs4Ye+FHwhzAEWwh7PIwRIUGKMv3 4GkTA89Fr+Gcem67I7tF29eTukYCNKk80LZHcBvEOmxyRWapeq8L06/pxWU6+pc4Xvsr phmTKbMc6Q+olFJ50bH8K0IH0O+Nfd+bYf9CoUNZphoW0ldopoacRVtMlNvqBb+96e01 pOfwXtr5SDL65CmN1KJj9ShgzXvBt0HbxwlGxJGHrZ4N/5zdvBm2V7+L280haL4TxFMo qBXGHQUoVtlCu+PYkKbr4SOhJ0nXSXZ2bBK6qitQYNcnslHEKOJoJ7FfQHNsKcRFi9Dw FD+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686932310; x=1689524310; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vEh7tr+I4+Dw/Xt1VyvS5fusQz72bTANIR8esJZ0OEs=; b=FGI3khfscf6NU2paX2rvzdA14WtT0vhiIWuw4MF3RSiKvTl8xHnTAw029NOAr9vzrg Qd9tNty2mYzCCdtYLo+4LFjUlkppR1ka9uDuCwNWxnjms5dQLuO1Gm1QkFKqQ0paMGRV RBOqnE/o2Dltjo151TS/MZETzHoMeb7ThAxiVWLqFJnffteOmNmmntVeB6SFhMcYq5a5 RUA/w9yoFKJkkBUfCg+SVSwZzeySYDhNGvjkpzfkLpKNhQW0taYJNaMazUmhJAWcMNCK GWt1ai6ym0av8D2ldMZWPjf9kNikKjRnt/XpB2v1skyQD2v8kS2WmOEYErSZm5xi7xRf 2x3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDy72IlZba5NFrdAZGLp6KLcKuiTzvOsA9dxv02AX9jOJesanQBI vy1D/SiF80gyuIhPaHUNfrkjszDWOO9m4D6+1G0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ50SnEYz1kL8/CmpcfZas0AHdOt2zc1Ejc69ws+PY3IhaLDLZikPBAGR4BcVLlGm8EbihLxvlH3oUqKuFF3xbE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:1597:b0:25b:e5b9:401d with SMTP id m23-20020a17090a159700b0025be5b9401dmr3176620pja.11.1686932310269; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:4b06:b0:4c1:7ec0:eb04 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 09:18:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1qA46y-3OI-00@marmaro.de> References: <20230616032055.ixdg6ubvfxgjhsmb@illithid> <37ea7f2b-e8f7-3cfe-a27d-ece47c5dc0f7@esi.com.au> <20230616050705.3ualzkwc44a7sm4u@illithid> <1qA46y-3OI-00@marmaro.de> From: Paul Winalski Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:18:29 -0400 Message-ID: To: markus schnalke Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 45ZYYQKYPIS6LV34DL6YEUY3QYLEVX4N X-Message-ID-Hash: 45ZYYQKYPIS6LV34DL6YEUY3QYLEVX4N X-MailFrom: paul.winalski@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: groff@gnu.org, TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: end-S/long-S (was: Re: GNU eqn clarifications and reforms) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 6/16/23, markus schnalke wrote: > > [2023-06-16 07:07] "G. Branden Robinson" >> >> For in=C5=BFtance, the United States u=C5=BFed to employ a non-final low= erca=C5=BFe S >> in the founding documents of its pre=C5=BFent government, where you can = see >> exhibits of the "Congre=C5=BFs of the United States". > > In old German, up to WWII, namely in Fraktur (the printed letters) > and S=C3=BCtterlin (the handwritten letters) both kinds of S are > present. > > Today, the long-S has only survived in some old company and > restaurant names, many of them changing by and by to the end-S, > because younger Germans can't read long-S and don't understand it > anymore. German also has a ligature letter called eszet that is a fusion of a long s (the one that resembles the English letter f) and a short s. It is used when a 's' sound is immediately preceded by a long vowel or a diphthong and not followed by a consonant. When the glyph for eszet isn't available 'ss' is substituted, as in the word 'strasse' (street). -Paul W.