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From: Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 21:03:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABH=_VT2_knHqjWK4gNr9xL+gegBEddMBHg1j0S-h+8pzOGaCg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2O61=AC_opfd-iVyiwfNsSDKeRu4S4SLqsyk_ccp86xPw@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/3/19, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> IBM CP-DOS -> OS/2 --\
>                                        \
>                                          ---> NT OS-2 -> NT/WIN .......
>  Today's Windows
> CMU Mach --\                  /
>                       ---> Mica -/
> DEC VMS   --/

I think that bottom part should read:

CMU Mach --\
                     ---> VAXeln --> Mica
DEC VMS  --/

Cutler took the concept of a microkernel from CMU Mach and combined it
with design concepts he had used in VMS to create a real-time OS for
the VAX called VAXeln.  DEC had several proposed machine architectures
for a RISC-based successor to VAX.  The one from Cutler's DECwest was
called PRISM.  Mica was the microkernel-based OS for PRISM.  The
intent was to build VMS and UNIX personality layers on top of the Mica
microkernel.  PRISM was cancelled in favor of Alpha, and that led to
Cutler's departure for Microsoft.

> When Cutler did Mica and then NT OS-2 he did not care what the user
> interface was.  Mica was a pure uk and NT OS-2 was also, but by the time of
> the product it became a hybrid.   Putting a different user interface, be it
> DOS, OS/2, Unix, VMS or Windows was in the kernel design.

As with Mica the original design was for various personality modules
(DOS, OS/2, Unix, whatever) to be layered on top of the microkernel.
The NT microkernel internals looked very familiar to VMS weenies such
as I.  Cutler was able to resist attempts to smear the layers by
putting hooks etc. in the microkernel, but over time the clean break
between the kernel and Windows has been muddied.

CMU Mach was the microkernel for Jobs's NeXT OS, and with BSD Unix
layered on top, was the basis for Apple's OS X.  OS X still uses the
Mach object file format, MACH-O.

-Paul W.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-04  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-03 20:23 Dave Horsfall
2019-02-03 21:39 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2019-02-03 22:07   ` Dave Horsfall
2019-02-03 22:33     ` Clem Cole
2019-02-04  2:03       ` Paul Winalski [this message]
2019-02-04  3:57       ` Jason Stevens
2019-02-04  6:25         ` Peter Jeremy
2019-02-04  7:59           ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-04 15:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-02-04 15:39             ` Toby Thain
2019-02-04 17:08         ` Al Kossow
2019-02-03 22:39     ` Michael Kjörling
2019-02-03 22:55     ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-03 23:37       ` Andy Kosela
2019-02-04  0:32     ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-04  1:00       ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-04  9:43 ` Donald ODona
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-02-04 23:42 Doug McIlroy
2019-02-05  3:49 ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-04  1:09 [TUHS] Happy Birthday " Doug McIlroy
2018-02-03 21:46 [TUHS] Happy birthday, " Norman Wilson
2018-02-03 20:57 Dave Horsfall
2018-02-03 21:12 ` Donald ODona
2018-02-03 21:59   ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04  0:52     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04  1:07       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]         ` <CAM4FNSvnR+ZkgMyJ-0+p7LKKAYzts-7268RgApteLoT9q=TtYA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <CAM4FNSu-eQkt=AeUJ=2uvEwN=BQe7qdWn6ZCQmfFjb9at6uf_w@mail.gmail.com>
2018-02-04  1:29             ` Daniel Camolês
2018-02-04  1:35               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-04  1:14       ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 13:59         ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-02-05 13:13     ` Tony Finch
2018-02-05 15:45       ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-05 16:19         ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05 17:41           ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-05 21:58       ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-05 22:47         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 22:52           ` Toby Thain
2018-02-05 22:54           ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06  4:58             ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-02-06  5:05               ` Gregg Levine
2018-02-03 21:35 ` Will Senn
2018-02-03 21:49   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-03 22:59     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04  0:51       ` Steve Simon
     [not found]         ` <CAM4FNStCAj-iFfg_DxyhkZMQu3dTx_4SeSsimALb3e1ktav2KQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2018-02-04  1:51                           ` Daniel Camolês
2018-02-04 17:33                             ` Toby Thain
2017-02-03 20:00 Dave Horsfall
2017-02-04 12:38 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-04 12:44   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-04 13:15     ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-03 17:38 Dave Horsfall

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