From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 86a046b2 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 16:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 62D249BD75; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 02:50:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BA99BCD7; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 02:50:40 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Qa1+mLoQ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C77859BCD7; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 02:50:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f178.google.com (mail-lj1-f178.google.com [209.85.208.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3244A9BCD5 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 02:50:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f178.google.com with SMTP id t14so212466lji.4 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GqIfqER3YBZPNrU2P73gNZqVf7krVa1E1Wr5ovfMFsg=; b=Qa1+mLoQ/SPxg2ZzTMK8Go2uG6kqPIFnYRn63VKZiUy0Qgpd0q900kmy2KONi1e0qc QszLi0Aj7WotsIR/aWP45h5bSB5vDLCk9bdWuICSqvsYKXGBFPxRxiQ0OEbRp81//flX UvBD7eedDl65ikkUO4HzDM4JIj0peG69juyxGsBweSvxCC8ylPdiCgebyU2lONeZjD4P YM4invbPlJiWBmdqYnE6VqQjbiEn0ZtLjULYQ9IX9w2pY4laXyv5bKk57WYfftK2bx01 Mo4uEETk4xYTYHC9na7x7nm9uxKNbDLt6RhbOSwkCJv4rrMLGEavTXaioYJhvWj7s2Lb gTtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GqIfqER3YBZPNrU2P73gNZqVf7krVa1E1Wr5ovfMFsg=; b=DNij/hMLGKsGyTHNIFKMZEDr7pfxA3EK/fxz2owxEIy4aBNYyaYVf/cQq1EB3a+5Sp htX2LJB21utApIAcOV2rgKHBUY/qA2yXrkCp5wgFq6BNeUO8DS4RLJxn/gYTjHXbRhe2 2+1x4laaSyeV+LOib2SMwW6yXQTKc86Wl9X4VfgRZul7naO1jh5pb36zUK+jBMP+FNOC bNWKK614OdQaHAzQfbC5zqaWErHVTgUWeDyOZKmqcOPYAMEMOxz7mJhghAyg8e0zWmoi w8Er9HG9JYGprLZ5ZBToC9N2DN7LHdQQoTjhowwbTuDzEZxd/qGCg3O1MBDjd+l7zOre iRtw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXyJIEVgyjboIQjg7wPmQk/9ptunS6GlsqFbo9yy+X5cqpHmGaO Lw2hg+9SI1riUPQWZx0A90SlCHsAHF4javDaX8QPEA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwuPz7qyaD/auJEw2T48cNpxZ4HW0TVGgd7BKaAty2wO2dJnl1lQgOaiqqV7oez+VETHyfa2FqvvZZ0txUejD0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9216:: with SMTP id k22mr2543568ljg.184.1567011036673; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:50:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:4290:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Winalski Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [TUHS] ISO, OSI, and DECnet (was Re: If not Linux, then what?) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 8/28/19, Clem Cole wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:46 AM Peter Jeremy wrote: > > Tru64 talked to DECnet Phase X (I don't remember which one, maybe 4 or 5), > which had become an ISO/OSI stack by that point for political reasons > inside of Digital (the OSI vs TCP war reminded me of the Pascal vs C and > VMS vs UNIX wars - all very silly in retrospect, but I guess it was really > about who got which $s for development). It was DECnet Phase V that was based on the ISO/OSI stack. IIRC, at the time the European telcos were pushing OSI, it had become an ISO standard, etc. etc. It was also pretty easy to compatibly slide the legacy proprietary DECnet Phase IV adaptive routing and virtual circuit layers into the OSI stack. TCP won the war, of course. The risk with international standards fashioned out of whole cloth by a committee (as opposed to being a regularization of existing practice) is that the marketplace may choose to ignore the "standard". OSI and the Ada programming language are cases in point. -Paul W.