From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1dffe0d9 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4A363A184E; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 02:03:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDA09E5BE; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 02:03:29 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=UUmuiFKd; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0A94A9E5BD; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 02:03:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf0-f42.google.com (mail-lf0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F0BD9E5BD for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 02:03:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n96-v6so2796978lfi.1 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GXFOm6xE+BaclsbkhqBcX2QSkYfca37yc0cNUSBThNU=; b=UUmuiFKdpvk+WCmA8a9+W86d9rQs5NtT6pBU3PsbhuMsZGjATxHTbwN33xh6ay454q wI3BlsJCz1zak06ZozJhE4I/A0Acg8tR5WTOXs+Bx0HBJfYyIgBJa0SCQwBJ3KdT7Siq eJY512m/H+2T95GT/kYBC3QRU4aVzuTJGtV86z0RF+gQsynfFdSmKNkpM2FYn7S+NPRm DqmBLuTbRnHV52DiwpfL4xTGeNJ24VqSoeDPHQ6NnXivoD6qvklKTtUnXIJ8+NRxq6s6 uv1OCWZ5010h5JP8rEmJpHsXt4/smdrvt3UNBg49ZGMfEJmJlFRBhtt0AIXOaeyCgcDU eqOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GXFOm6xE+BaclsbkhqBcX2QSkYfca37yc0cNUSBThNU=; b=bhj9CNDo7hSnA7uzWaef1Cw8mAoPe3SiR4ACMhq2T/zrryy3VXjwBFZ5XYYsWGEMdZ fB05xxjD2KQso6Vr+nLIwbSBCO9KRkde3mqnpwnHwor88CIdVPZhz0tZBcTGYmZFX62Z pwHsGbC47bSrImSBHQnX2b1aJHBntsZHnFFLu7jBcB4tmKhKS53V+JKlVNpeeE8HbMa0 LkU+3KtWtWImrhdZjrk315AaWeI/IRCaUm2V2hF9yENaauC1xRjE2sccFVzf/vrkFfOo sbz0otQ4jeZm/IJCYxuP0yq3IiMhFft7NIppoUBZf8qaGc7eBh7Xh50agKjOj+icj17x J9VQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2LBCrylmG3Dxk/pU3hUy2n4r0qXKVwpceZ6Ywp++cuh+VWaP73 3thl+QaL5qGJJu1okrLsd5pfxTZaFUteiLYIlcc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIIqmsQY/K40vEtB+JJENbI1pVphhyv+dpbArXTC9ed67L8mYuHP2FtyeFUKwu1mHl/EsDHNcGxMqrlOLLpGJA= X-Received: by 2002:a19:e119:: with SMTP id y25-v6mr6160012lfg.3.1529942605616; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:104c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180625144454.EAB7918C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Paul Winalski Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:03:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Noel Chiappa , Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 6/25/18, Clem Cole wrote: > > BTW: I can say, in the mid 1970s, I personally found the lack of defined I/O > confusing when I was learning the language and (remember Dennis has not yet > written the 'White Book' which was really part of V7). It was one of my > bitches about C compared to BLISS, which was what I was coming and was a > very rich system at CMU - while I/O in C was really a pain because ever > program did it different - everybody wrote their own routines - which I > thought was silly. Soon there after the 'portable C library' appeared and > then with typesetter C, stdio. ??? The BLISS language doesn't have any I/O capability built into the language (as do BASIC, Fortran, COBOL, PL/I). Being intended as a systems programming language, it is expected that programmers will write their own I/O routines using the target OS's I/O services. -Paul W.