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From: Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>, Computer Old Farts Followers <coff@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:49:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABH=_VTc7dX_KH5zq9H2y9dKm5SBjS-dKAbq5w4-OEuLzX0WLA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240928180559.GF9067@mcvoy.com>

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[moving to COFF as this has drifted away from Unix]

On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 2:06 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:


> I have a somewhat different view.  I have a son who is learning to program
> and he asked me about C.  I said "C is like driving a sports car on a
> twisty mountain road that has cliffs and no guard rails.  If you want to
> check your phone while you are driving, it's not for you.  It requires
> your full, focussed attention.  So that sounds bad, right?  Well, if
> you are someone who enjoys driving a sports car, and are good at it,
> perhaps C is for you."
>
> If you really want a language with no guard rails, try programming in
BLISS.

Regarding C and C++ having dangerous language features--of course they do.
Every higher-level language I've ever seen has its set of toxic language
features that should be avoided if you want reliability and maintainability
for your programs.  And a set of things to avoid if you want portability.

Regarding managed dynamic memory allocation schemes that use garbage
collection vs. malloc()/free(), there are some applications where they are
not suitable.  I'm thinking about real-time programs.  You can't have your
missle defense software pause to do garbage collection when you're trying
to shoot down an incoming ballistic missile.

-Paul W.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-30 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-28 13:34 Douglas McIlroy
2024-09-28 16:58 ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-09-28 17:47   ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-28 17:52     ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-28 18:46       ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-09-28 22:08         ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-28 22:45           ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-28 22:50             ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-28 17:59   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-09-28 22:07     ` Douglas McIlroy
2024-09-28 23:05       ` Rob Pike
2024-09-28 23:30         ` Warner Losh
2024-09-29 10:06           ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-09-29 12:25             ` Warner Losh
2024-09-29 15:17               ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-09-30 12:15           ` Dan Cross
2024-09-28 18:01   ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-10-01 13:13     ` arnold
2024-10-01 13:32       ` Larry McVoy
2024-10-01 13:47         ` arnold
2024-10-01 14:01           ` Larry McVoy
2024-10-01 14:18             ` arnold
2024-10-01 14:25             ` Luther Johnson
2024-10-01 14:56               ` Dan Cross
2024-10-01 15:08                 ` Stuff Received
2024-10-01 15:20                 ` Larry McVoy
2024-10-01 15:38                   ` Peter Weinberger (温博格) via TUHS
2024-10-01 15:50                     ` ron minnich
2024-10-01 19:04                 ` arnold
2024-10-01 16:49           ` Paul Winalski
2024-10-01 15:44       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-10-01 19:07         ` arnold
2024-10-01 20:34           ` Rik Farrow
2024-10-02  0:55             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-10-02  5:49             ` arnold
2024-10-02 20:42               ` Dan Cross
2024-10-02 21:54                 ` Marc Donner
2024-10-05 17:45                 ` arnold
2024-10-06 12:20                   ` Dan Cross
2024-10-06 12:29                     ` [TUHS] UREP code (was Re: Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum)) arnold
2024-10-01 16:40       ` [TUHS] Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum) Paul Winalski
2024-09-28 18:05   ` Larry McVoy
2024-09-30 15:49     ` Paul Winalski [this message]
2024-09-29 16:56 Douglas McIlroy
2024-09-29 20:29 ` Rob Pike
2024-09-29 21:13   ` Rik Farrow
2024-09-29 22:21   ` Rich Salz
2024-09-29 23:56     ` Rob Pike
2024-09-30  0:36       ` Larry McVoy
2024-09-30  0:55         ` Larry McVoy
2024-09-30  1:09         ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-30  1:37           ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-30  3:52             ` ron minnich
2024-10-01 12:43             ` arnold
2024-09-30 19:12   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-09-30 20:03     ` Rich Salz
2024-09-30 21:15       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-09-30 22:14       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-10-01  1:42         ` Alexis
2024-09-30 20:14     ` Rik Farrow
2024-09-30 22:00       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-10-01 12:53       ` Dan Cross
2024-11-18 12:00         ` Anton Shepelev
2024-11-18 12:46           ` Luther Johnson
2024-11-18 14:05             ` Steve Nickolas
2024-11-18 15:00               ` Anton Shepelev
2024-11-23 22:29                 ` Alexander Schreiber
2024-11-18 14:55             ` Anton Shepelev
2024-11-18 16:52               ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-11-18 17:00                 ` Anton Shepelev
2024-11-18 18:56                 ` Luther Johnson
2024-11-22  1:53           ` Dan Cross
2024-11-22  2:55             ` Luther Johnson
2024-09-29 21:24 ` Ralph Corderoy

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