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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:40:10 -0800
> From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
> To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
> Cc: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
>         <tuhs@tuhs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors
> Message-ID: <D192F5A5-2A67-413C-8F5C-FCF195151E4F@bitblocks.com>
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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 05:08:59PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 4:22 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, Chet Ramey wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> That's a real big vi in RHL.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's vim.
> >>>
> >>> It's also VIM on the Mac.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nvi is also interesting and 1/10th the size of vim. It's also the
> FreeBSD
> >> default for vi.
> >
> > I was gonna stay out of this thread (it has the feel of old folks
> somehow)
> > but 2 comments:
> >
> > Keith did nvi (I can't remember why?  licensing or something) and he did
> > a pretty faithful bug for bug compatible job.  I've always wondered why.
> > I like Keith but it seemed like a waste.  There were other people taking
> > vi forward, elvis, xvi (I hacked the crap out of that one, made it mmap
> > the file and had a whole string library that treated \n like NULL) and
> > I think vim was coming along.  So doing a compat vi felt like a step
> > backward for me.
> >
> > For all the vim haters, come on.  Vim is awesome, it gave me the one
> > thing that I wanted from emacs, multiple windows.  I use that all the
> > time.  It's got piles of stuff that I don't use, probably should, but
> > it is every bit as good of a vi as the original and then it added more.
> > I'm super grateful that vim came along.
>
> The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very grateful to
> Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows — only
> horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my terminal
> windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need.
>

Not sure if you’re saying horizontal splits are all you need, or all you’re
aware of, but nvi “:E somefile” will split to a top/bottom arrangement and
“:vsplit somefile” will do a left/right arrangement, as well as being able
to “:fg”, “:bg” screens. I too am a (NetBSD) nvi appreciator.

-bch

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