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From: Gilles Gravier <gilles@gravier.org>
To: Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com>
Cc: TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:31:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABq8+zcm4oAzTkOtkd-ZeG12Aq-h_oYHOYGH+kGaMS87qN6kXA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEdTPBetBFP_sL2X1M2MdrwU1Oimm27FjMtcYxs9WSsQT_Gh5g@mail.gmail.com>

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(Henri, you're in copy of this again, because first time I did a Reply
instead of Reply to list/all. Sorry.)

Le mar. 4 sept. 2018 à 19:45, Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com> a écrit :

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 13:40 Gilles Gravier <gilles@gravier.org> wrote:
>
>> This link :
>> https://vetusware.com/download/SunOS%20Source%20Code%204.1.3/?id=13475
>> seems to have the right file (registration required, but it's free, use a
>> disposable email).
>>
>> Beats my having to find a SCSI adaptor, a QIC-150 drive, and trying to
>> read my old QIC-150 tape with the source code on it...
>>
>> Gilles
>>
>
> I feel like we've been through this before on this list, but perhaps it
> bears repeating: just because you can find source (or binaries, or CD
> images, etc.) on the internet, that doesn't make it the least bit legal.
> That is clearly the case here. Sadly, there are even higher profile sites
> like the Internet Archive that have this problem too.  The concept of
> "abandonware" has no legal footing whatsoever.
>
> -Henry
>

Oh I definitely know the sources aren't officially accessible. By the way,
I had copies of them (my QIC tape) when I was a student. I still have the
QIC.

It's the common example that I use to tell people that opensourcing
software makes it more secure because the good guys have access to the
source code at the same time as the bad guys, which gives them a fair
chance to fix bugs before the bad guys use them.

With closed source (SunOS, VMS...) the good guys don't have access to the
source code... but the bad guys will always (either by paying somebody
enough to make a copy for them, or by finding them on some non legitimate
place). As a student I had the source of SunOS (4.1.3) but also VMS (on a
few TK-50 tapes).

For me, that vetusware site is certainly not legitimate... but since I have
the QIC tape at home, I just used it as an easy alternative to having to
get the hardware to read my tape back in working order...

I certainly do not consider it a legally approved way of distributing code
which is, as we all agree, NOT open source.

Gilles

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-05  6:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-30 21:34 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-31  1:59 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-08-31 21:34   ` Cág
2018-08-31 21:39     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31 21:47       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-31 21:57     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 21:58     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-31 22:02       ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 22:19       ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:23         ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-31 22:30           ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:34             ` Jon Forrest
2018-09-01 10:46             ` Donald ODona
2018-08-31 22:20       ` Cág
2018-08-31 23:02       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01  1:57         ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01  3:23           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-01 16:29             ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 16:35               ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 19:32                 ` Clem Cole
2018-09-01 16:27         ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 17:17           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01 22:19             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-02  5:05               ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-02 19:43                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-04 11:47                   ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-04 17:39                     ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-04 17:45                       ` Henry Bent
2018-09-05  6:31                         ` Gilles Gravier [this message]
2018-09-05 12:55                           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 15:26                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-05 15:36                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-09-05 15:43                               ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 23:40                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-09-06  3:21                             ` [TUHS] Mail etiquette (was: SunOS code?) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-09-05  0:10                 ` [TUHS] SunOS code? Tony Finch
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-04 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-06  0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 19:54 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 20:05 ` Earl Baugh
2018-08-30 19:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 19:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:04 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:22   ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:36       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:40         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:43           ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:38     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:42       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:43         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31  5:49 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-31  9:50   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-31 11:01     ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-31 11:05       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-24 15:13 [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-27 15:54   ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-28  0:24       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28  6:01           ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  0:36               ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29  0:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29  5:29                   ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40                     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41                       ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44                         ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46                           ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43                     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                       ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43                         ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50                           ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04  9:39                               ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24                               ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38                                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09                       ` David Arnold

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